Remind me what we got for Zach Randolph.

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  1. Minstrel

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    Team defense is definitely part of winning championships. Every player doesn't have to be a good defender. Especially if Randolph comes off the bench. The '80s Detroit Pistons won titles with a great team defense despite their key player off the bench, Mark Aguirre, being a terrible defender.

    Again, you're not going anywhere with Randolph as your top player and you likely aren't winning a title with him as one of your two best players. That's a very different thing from Randolph being valueless to a good/great team.
     
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    Yes, nobody but Zeke Thomas, one of the worst GM's in the history of the game, wanted him.

    Then, he traded him away to the 2nd worst GM of all time, because still.... nobody wanted him.

    Then the guy who traded Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown took him on.

    And now All Star Zach Randolph is toiling away on the 10th best team in the West.

    FUCK!!!!! WHY DID WE EVER TRADE HIM?!?!?!?!?!?!?
     
  3. EL PRESIDENTE

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    I know. we could use some scoring and rebounding.
     
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    Imaginary scoring and rebounding!
     
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    1) This deadline, Memphis will have a $17.3 Million expiring contract, which could be quite valuable (or ignored a la RLEC).

    2) Championship level teams can afford to have a single knucklehead on their team, and several have.
     
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    Conveniently forgotten right now are the facts that, in July 2007, a) Pritchard thought K*be would be an ETO last summer, among other players who would be available...b) Darius Miles' contract was going to be voided, adding another $9M to the bounty we'd have, and c) that the cap would be higher (why wouldn't he? it had been going up steadily each year).

    So instead of the "7M" false number being tossed around in here, trading Zach as part of that plan was to get around 26M in space (by letting RLEC expire, trading Zach for Francis, voiding Miles due to his retirement, lining Blake and Outlaw's contracts up for a 2009 team option). You can agree or disagree with the plan, obviously, but trying to twist this into "we traded Zach for 7M of Imaginary Cap Space" is, well, misinformed and misleading. If we came out of this year's FA period with Miller, Millsap and Turk there'd be different tunes being sung.
     
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    Normally when players are a "desired commodity" teams will do what they can to KEEP that player on their team to build around. He has improved his attitude and off court conduct enough to get SOME GM's to give him a look but he hasn't played for a winning team in how long? That should give you an idea of how much he is desired around the league....I agree we MIGHT have been able to get more out of the ZBo trade but all in all I would say it worked out pretty well for our franchise. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on...That is what we did.
     
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    Is Memphis lining up an extension for "All-Star Zach Randolph" right now?
     
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    That's why the cap space was imaginary in the first place. The actual usable free cap space was $7 million. And that is AFTER letting RLEC expire. So the $$$$ effects of the ZBO trade are probably less than that.

    Cap Genius!
     
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    how did it work out well for our franchise?
     
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    Probably not with him looking for an extension equivalent to Gasol's.
     
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    We don't know how many points and rebounds he would have given us, so it's imaginary. We don't need imaginary points and rebounds.
     
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    No one seems to be putting enough emphasis on how bad Randolph's contract is.

    One, he's grossly overpaid.
    Two, it runs through 2010 FA, the year like half the league has been targeting

    You aren't going to get much in return for a player that dominates the ball and isn't particularly the best at it, plays no defense, questionable character, and has an absurd contract he doesn't deserve that runs through 2010 FA. Sorry.

    Pritchard got the best deal for Zach he could and went with it because it was the necessary move. Not the best or worst, but necessary. Zach couldn't stay and the Blazers have not missed him one bit.
     
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    Because we're a 50 win team, have been the last two years, a playoff team, young and improving. And we didn't have to deal with him.
     
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    not contenders. need to be.
     
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    nope. not necessary. Paul Allen is rich as fuck, its not like his contract would have held us back all that much, would it?
     
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    Zach has never been. We're closer than when we had him. Show proof we'd be where we are with him still here.
     
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    I'm still convinced that ZBO trade and the false hope of the imaginary cap space is what got Penn fired.
     
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    It depends. Not in terms of NBA rules, but if Allen's enforcing a budget through Vulcan, then it would. More money to Randolph means less for other players like Oden or Batum.
     
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    Correct, the "actual usable space" was $7.7M, after added the draft hold and keeping Outlaw and Blake. Trading the pick and letting those contracts go would've had us at $17M in cap space. Big difference. And that's AFTER the cap went down almost 2M, instead of going up like in 24 of the past 26 years.

    We didn't "just get Miller" with the cap space. We also got Blake and Outlaw, since their team options cut another 7.6M out of our space. Maybe KP saw that there wasn't anyone he wanted from this FA class to spend 17M on more than keeping Blake and Outlaw. But that wasn't part of the plan when Z_Bo was traded.
     

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