Serious Lamarcus Question Confusion

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  1. DUB

    DUB Da, da da, da dah!

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    So if LMA is the Tin Man, that must make

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  3. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    And Roy is Dorothy and Bayless is Toto... big f'ing deal.
     
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    Lots of neat Wizard of Oz posts, but I still maintain that LA does get post position. Watch Game 4 again.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Oh c'mon, everybody knows Roy is one of those freaky flying monkeys and Bayless is the tornado.
     
  6. craigehlo

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    Go to CBS Sports line and look at the shot chart. It's jumpshot city with one dunk, one layup for LMA.

    Then look at Amare's shot chat. 2 Dunks, 4 layups plus 2 for 2 on jumpers.

    If that's considered "good position" for LMA, you have pretty low standards.
     
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    LA had 12 FTs, though. Those don't show up on shot charts. As I said, watch the fucking game again. This shot chart bullshit is exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    RoyToy Clown Town

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    People here tend to focus on too much what the players can't do rather than what they can do, and it's annoying. It's like you guys think this team won 50 games back to back because they got lucky or something with the way you guys pick apart the players.
     
  9. craigehlo

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    I was at game 4. In good seats I may add. I didn't see a beast on the block. I saw a fairly typical LaMarcus regular season game when the Suns defense didn't get back in transition all that well. What he did do well was fade in the opposite direction from the double team. Too bad it took him that long to figure it out and he completely abandoned the strategy in game 5.
     
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    I agree he abandoned it in Game 5. I'm not sure what that has to do with Game 4, though.
     
  11. craigehlo

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    The issue is that he's eating up a huge amount of cap space and bring an extremely limited skill set to the table. He's getting paid like a 20/10 at the very least, but not bring the production that you expect from the paycheck.
     
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    Aldridge wasn't paid as a 20/10 guy this season. He was a bargain this season. His extension takes effect next season.
     
  13. RoyToy

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    Well right now he's only making less than $6M a year, so he's more than fine right now.

    Next year he'll bump up to almost $11M, which again is not really bad at all when you know you'll get at least 18/8 out of him.

    He's not going to be making more than $12M until the start of the 2012-2013 season, which is when he'll be hitting his prime. Then his pay just goes up from there.

    If he doesn't improve before his pay really starts to go up, we'll have a problem. But for the next couple seasons he'll be making about what he's worth, give or take a $1M either way, and he'll be entering his prime when his contract starts to really increase, so the thought is he'll be better by then and thus worth his pay. When you look at other contracts around the league Aldridge's really isn't that bad. Maybe not the best, but it's not terrible, either. I mean, Rashard Lewis is going to make $20M next year, $22M the year after that, and $23M the year after that. That's horrendous.
     
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    Rashard Lewis had a 14 PER this season and made almost $19 million. Aldridge has been over 17 in PER for every year of his rookie contract, with 18+ after his first season. Sometimes, you just have to laugh at Blazer fans on this board. We mean well, but it's like sifting through hills of gravel to find a flake of gold in terms of posts that actually makes sense in terms of logic and reality.
     
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    Here are scouting reports on LMA since college, for the most part the player he was then is the player he is now. Lots of ability, great in some areas, lacking in many areas. Has never been tough consistently. Has never liked banging. I think some of this can be atributed to Maurice Lucas being gone for the last two years. Luke doesn't need to be replaced but the Blazers need to hire a quality big man coach.

    NCAA Tournament: NBA Draft Stock Watch (Sweet Sixteen, Thursday games)
    March 24, 2006


    Aldridge started the game by asserting his position in the paint and making a beautiful pass to an open PJ Tucker for the layup. He continued by putting on a mid-range shooting clinic, making a variety of impressive jump shots from about 15 feet out both on the move or from static positions. Some of these shots were off balance turnarounds where Aldridge just sensed where the defense was and turned and shot the other way.


    NCAA Tournament: NBA Draft Stock Watch (Elite Eight, Saturday Games)
    March 26, 2006



    For the second time in the NCAA tournament, Aldridge followed a dominant performance with a no-show, playing very tentatively against the much bigger Glen Davis and the super-athletic Tyrus Thomas. Aldridge proved that he will need to continue to add bulk to his frame, as Davis took him out of position with his width and strength the entire game. His shot wasn’t falling either, and rather than attacking the basket to try and draw contact, he settled for fadeways and turnaround jumpers throughout the entire game.

    DraftExpress All-Summer League: First Team
    July 23, 2007


    At times Aldridge has a tendency to settle for nonsense—difficult shots from tough angles with a defender draped all over him. His feel for knowing what he can and can’t do will have to improve as he continues to mature and gain experience. He still has a tendency to avoid contact at times and not finish all that strong, but to his credit, this looked like much less of an issue than it was when he was in college a year ago.



    NBA Scouting Reports: LaMarcus Aldridge
    September 4, 2009


    Overview: One of the NBA’s most gifted young big men. A near 7-footer with a near 7-5 wingspan. Not just tall, but relatively well built too. Has added some bulk to his frame since appearing on the NBA radar. Shows good mobility, but is more smooth than explosive as an athlete. Long strides make him a factor in transition... Lacks a certain degree of toughness, which manifests itself on the defensive end primarily at times.

    Offense: Exceptionally talented big man who maintains an outstanding level of efficiency across the board. Gets almost half of his possessions in one-on-one situations, whether they come in the high or low-post. Also sees a significant number of touches in spot situations, off of pick and rolls, and working without the ball.

    Very capable ball handler for a near 7-footer. Almost never turns the ball over in relation to most players near his high usage level. Doesn’t get to the line at a very high rate for his skill level, since he makes most of his moves going away from his defender.

    Runs the court well and uses his mobility very well on the pick and pop. Seldom rolls to the basket after setting a screen.

    Defense: Capable defender who gives an effort if nothing else. Displays the anticipation to use his length to come up with some steals and block some shots. Not a standout in either area, but is a threat to make some plays. Blocks most of his shots on the ball, though one of his biggest weaknesses revolves around his lack of tenacity when defending the ball one-on-one around the basket.

    Will let himself get beaten with aggressive drop steps and allows himself to get pushed around more than he should.

    Doesn’t use leverage terribly well. Not a bad defender, but his lack of great energy coupled with some issues with his fundamentals limit him.

    Has some problems committing to hedging screens, not showing a great sense of urgency recovering to his man and giving up some open looks that he’s often still able to get a hand up on by using his length.

    Does a decent job defending penetration in that he takes away the lane, but tends to be content with defending his matchup from the side when they look to attack the rim, instead of beating him to the spot.

    Doesn’t prove to be a very good defensive rebounder.

    Is also caused by a lack of aggressiveness when boxing out.

    Overall, Aldridge plays a position based brand of defense that doesn’t sell out his teammates, but he’s capable of being more active in the midrange and tougher on the block.
     
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    The whole reason Lamarcus (and the team) has been struggling is because he does not understand that catching the ball that far out is hurting the teams spacing. It doesn't do any good if you catch the ball 2 feet from your 3 point shooters. Not only do you bring your guy over to crowd the situation, but you bring the perimeter players defender over to you, making it easier to double team you. Lamarcus would be ok if we had a deep post threat for him to work off of, but the facts are, we don't right now.
     
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    You're complaining that Lamarcus catches the ball? I mean I kind of get what you're saying but come on, shouldn't some blame go to the person who threw the ball? Spacing on offense is one thing but I would think a turnover is a lot worse than LMA catching the ball.
     
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    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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    Not in game 6. On more than one play he literally had a foot one the 3 point line, took two power dribbles and launched a long contested shot - and missed.
     
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    In short, Aldridge is the second coming of Rasheed Wallace.

    It's a pity.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Why? it's like saying, "It's a pity Roy is the second coming of Drexler and not Jordan." He is what he is. Wallace was a very good player for Portland, even if some here hated his personality. Aldridge is also a very good player, just not a star.

    Aldridge's skillset will actually be more valuable when/if Oden is healthy. A high post big man is quite valuable. It's just problematic not to have any low post presence.
     

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