Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration Law.

Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

cops can stop and interrogate anyone they want to right now and ask for a license and registration. What's the big deal about asking for other ID? Other than, people here illegally will now be caught.

 

Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

Do you know anything about the actual law that's been passed?



It requires "legitimate contact" . http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm

While legitimate contact is not defined within the statute (or anywhere else, as far as I can tell) it would go against common sense for "legitimate contact" to extend into illegal/discriminatory initiation of investigations.

Ed O.

 

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar...te_contact_versus_racial_profiling.html?cat=9

Legitimate Contact Versus Racial Profiling

With the passing of Arizona's new immigration law, SB 1070, there seems to be a significant amount of confusion as to what constitutes "legitimate contact." Per SB 1070's Fact Sheet:

"Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S."

Those in opposition of the Arizona immigration law believe it will encourage racial profiling. They interpret legitimate contact to mean that a cop can require identification from anyone at any time for any reason and believe that brown people throughout Arizona will be unfairly targeted, without just cause.

Others define legitimate contact as when a police officer has a legal reason to approach a person who has committed a violation, such as a traffic violation or other crime. By this definition, an Arizona cop couldn't demand identification from just any passing Joe. They would only be able to request someone's identification after a crime or grievance had occurred, which doesn't at all constitute racial profiling. As it stands, cops are permitted, if not required to obtain ID from a suspect throughout all 50 states. This new law wouldn't be much of a leap, if at all, from typical police procedure.

While the issue of how Arizona intends to tackle immigration should be left up to the people who live within the state, it sure would be helpful if Arizona legislators would clarify "legitimate contact."

 

Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

If you think you're insulting me by calling me a Liberal, I wear that label proudly. A TRUE Liberal - liberal on social issues and economic ones. Unlike those who falsely wear the label and it is an insult to call them "liberal."

 

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Hear hear!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...rim_view_if_immig_reform_mess_isnt_fixed.html

A fired-up Mayor Bloomberg warned the U.S. "is committing national suicide" by passing the buck on implementing comprehensive immigration reform.

"This is not good for the country. I don't agree with it," he said. "We love immigrants here."

Bloomberg said that because federal lawmakers have failed to tackle the thorny issue, lawmakers in states like Arizona have taken matters into their own hands.

"This country is committing national suicide," Bloomberg said.

The Arizona law allows cops to stop anyone they think is in the country illegally and arrest folks who can't prove their immigration status or citizenship.

Bloomberg deemed it an invitation to harassment.

"We have to get real about the 12 million undocumented here," the mayor said. "We're not going to deport them. Give them permanent status. Don't make them citizens unless they can qualify, but give them permanent status and let's get on with this."

 

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Hear hear!

Marco Rubio would be the choice of the Tea Party people. Racist indeed.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/95123-mack-r-compares-ariz-law-to-nazi-germany

Rep. Connie Mack (R-Fla.) ripped into the new Arizona immigration law today, comparing it to Nazi Germany.

"This law of 'frontier justice' – where law enforcement officials are required to stop anyone based on 'reasonable suspicion' that they may be in the country illegally – is reminiscent of a time during World War II when the Gestapo in Germany stopped people on the street and asked for their papers without probable cause," Mack said in a statement.
"This is not the America I grew up in and believe in, and it’s not the America I want my children to grow up in," he added.

The Arizona law would allow law enforcement officers who come into legal contact with individuals to demand proof of citizenship if there is a "reasonable suspicion" that person may be undocumented.

Marco Rubio has also criticized the bill.

 

Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

Once again, people ignorant of the Nazi party tossing around fear-mongering words.

Also, is it "conspiracy theorist" to notice how the only people who are speaking up much about this are people in states with high Hispanic populations? Arizona, NY, CA, FL? The cynic in me is thinking that, of all these people who should be looking out for the poor and oppressed, are willing to just let the laws of the land be broken and more people put into positions of poverty and less safety, just b/c they don't want to reform immigration and piss off the people who've been here illegally for years.
Mayor Bloomberg can continue loving immigrants. Those are people who've done it the right way. If he comes out and says "I love criminal trespassers here" it doesn't have the same ring

 

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How is someone being "singled out" if there is probable cause?

This issue is making me more and more angry, because of the contempt I'm gathering (bi-partisan) for people talking out of their asses, with the potential of doing it while being paid off by criminals. B/c let's not confuse this, if a lobbyist group of people here illegally is funding a government official in order to sway their opinion/vote, it's a lot like the Prohibition bribing of the 20's, not the Nazi party of the 20's. But you'd only know that if you'd actually read the books, I guess.

 

Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

I live in California and I welcome these people. I'd prefer the border be open with no passport required - though their belongings would be subject to inspection.