I would've thought you'd be in favor of rights for illegal aliens - you are of European ancestry, I assume? Oh, my mistake, given your use of "our", you must be Native American.
Actually, only people lucky enough actually to be born within the stadium are allowed to vote on who gets to come and see the game.
Or the sons and grandsons and great-grandsons of people who went through Ellis Island legally, or were emancipated legally, or immigrated in the last 60 years legally. No one's saying a person of hispanic descent can't live and work here...hell, I embrace it! America's the greatest country on earth. But there's a right way to live here, and a criminal way to live here. Respect the laws.
Time will tell - but if this law leads to American citizens of hispanic descent getting harassed, then IMHO it isn't worth it.
I'm on the other side of the fence. First, I don't think that this will lead to widespread "Driving while Latino" pullovers. What it will do is a) enforce a federal policy at a state level, b) get people who shouldn't be here out of here, and c) allow people to see that we're serious about doing things the right way. And, honestly, if the safety of the citizenry of AZ (and the rest of the US) goes up b/c a few people are inconvenienced, I'm ok with that. Which is why I support sobriety checkpoints, airport security checks and all the time it takes to pull those stupid inkblot badges off of sweaters I buy.
Sigh. I guess the reference to Europeans "discovering" America was lost on you. Big surprise. You're no Stephen Hawking, after all. But it's good to know you've got no problem with the children of illegal aliens born here. After all, they arrive legally.
And your basis for this confidence is the purity of heart and complete absense of prejudice amply demonstrated by all police at all times?
Not a problem for me at all. In fact, I'm all about ESL training for those children (hispanic heritage or otherwise) if it helps them succeed. From most of the teachers and first-generation friends I have have told em, ESL's not the best way to get someone language skills. But that's another thread.
More "professionalism and the code of ethics their job requires of them", yeah. If you have a problem with the police, then there are plenty of other threads. Are you saying your solution is that since no one is perfect, no law can be enforced? When the cop shows up after I beat my wife, I don't have to go to jail b/c there is precedent for a miniscule percentage of law enforcement not performing their job properly? Hogwash. Get a better argument.
This reminds me of the law that says 12-y/o's can get abortions without family involvement b/c there's a chance that someone's a victim of incest, and would make the 12 y/o carry the baby to term as a punishment. Meanwhile, you can't play on the golf team as a senior in HS without getting written permission from your parents. Fringe-case legislation at its finest.
I think it is kinda sad. No people should be in the US working/living illegally...... ( ironic as HCP is currently working in Vancouver BC illegally!) But my grandparents live in SoCal and are full blooded Mexican. They both came over legally when they were infants. Now with this new law, my grandfather could easily be pulled over and questioned...... even though he proudly served his country in Korea! Don't like the idea of that at all.
HCP, he can't be pulled over w/o "Reasonable cause". Which means that, if he's speeding, he can be asked for his documentation. So can anyone. That doesn't change. This law doesn't allow for indiscriminate hate-based hazing. I served my country, too. Since 1995 and still going. I'm whiter than snow. I was recently pulled over for doing 27 in a 25 when I come home from a Blazers' game at 2am b/c it gives police a "reasonable cause" to check to see if I'm drunk or not. Sure, it's an "inconvenience". But it's one I'll take b/c it gives them a mechanism to get bad people off the road. All your grandfather has to do is show his ID and the policeman would probably say "thank you, sir...have a safe night and try to stay under the limit" like I usually get.
I would certainly need a better argument than the one you attributed to me. I think you managed a combination of a straw man AND a false dilemma.
My apologies. It seemed like you were saying that you were against this law partially b/c you scoff at the ability of the police to enforce it professionally, and attribute this inability to enforce professionally to the myriad cases of police misbehavior. IF that were the case (and again, apologies if it isn't), then which laws do you think SHOULD be enforced by these unprofessional policemen, and which ones can they not enforce?
Kind of racist of you to imply illegal aliens are pleased as punch to sweep floors for whitey. I've crossed paths with a bunch of them here in Beautiful Central Oregon, and most of them are highly respected drug dealers and chop-shop employees and above any menial labor of that sort.
