Hollinger takes isolation offenses to task

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Very interesting read (you'll need an insider account to read the full article but here are some highlights)

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/play...?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-100506

    Food for thought.
     
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  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I brought something like this up the other day. It's an article of basketball gospel that "running teams don't win in the playoffs", which is the excuse trotted out whenever someone (usually me) brings up how stagnant our offense is and that we need more layups, FTs and open 3's and less desperation end-of-the-clock 3's and 19-foot jumpers. But I've asked multiple times how those Iso offenses work when other teams are keyed up on defending your particular Isolator and taking away what you do best.
    Seems Hollinger's hypothesizing that "Neither Running NOR Iso teams win in the playoffs". Crap. Now what?
     
  3. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    You need to have a multiple offense strategy. Not just stick to Run or Iso or what have you. Keep the opponent guessing and keep the opponents coach unable to create game plans for your team. Is that possible? I assume so.....
     
  4. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It's not about running, it's about off-the-ball movement, crisp interior passing, pick and rolls (with an actual rolling big man), flex cuts, down screens -- shit solid screens of any sort would be a start with this team -- and an offense that features more than just one or two moving parts and a lot of guys standing around in the corners occasionally receiving a kick out.
     
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    At the same time, I would point out what the hell was Nate supposed to do? When they switched Grant Hill on to Miller, and we had no healthy Roy, we had no way to make them pay for their move of putting Hill on Miller. Not one player stepped up and hit open shots and spaced the floor in order to make them pay for making that move. You can't tell me that Rudy didn't have an assload of competely wide open 3's. The reason that Nate couldn't adjust anything, is because he didn't have a player worth a damn to make PHX pay for what they did. The other thing I would point out, is the reason Andre Miller couldn't take advantage of having a big swapped on to him, is because he can't hit an outside shot. Watch Billups. Watch Nash. What do they do? Big swaps on to them. They take them outside, let them sag off of them (Just like Hil was doing with Miller), but they can bang the outside shot if given that space. Miller can't. Big player just sags off him and dares him to shoot. Game over.

    San Antonio is having the same problem now because RJ can't hit an open 3. You put a player over there that can hit that open 3 to take the pressure off, and PHX defense doesn't look so good anymore. Unfortuantely, San Antonio has outside shooting problems as well.
     
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    Food for thought indeed. Of course, some people don't want to eat.
     
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    Hollinger takes iso offense to task?!?

    You "glass half empty" fans crack me up. He's clearly saying that we have the best regular season offense.
     
  8. hasoos

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    Teams should have more than one offense. Denver has a iso offense, and they have a motion offense.

    I find that the transition and fast break game tends to be more or less based on player ability, not the coach.
     
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    First, I agree with hasoos that trying to make anything out of this season's Blazers' playoff series is absurd. Too many injuries to too many key players, our main "isolator" in particular, to reach any reasonable conclusions. That said, I don't think it's a matter of dumping the isos entirely, but rather adding to the Blazers' offensive repertoire. I'd love to see our two best offensive players, Roy and Aldridge, be used frequently in pick and roll schemes. I think that would put the defenses in a really tough pick your poison scenario similar to Utah's old bread and butter Stockton/Malone offense.
     
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    I think the best executing offense in the league, with the best motion and passing, is Utah's. They move the ball. The only guy who handles the ball for long periods of time is the PG, but even they are constantly on the move. The only problem they have, is they lack size.
     
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    What he said.
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I was on the fence about Nate before the playoffs... but lets just say I'm not anymore after what I saw.
     
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    Bwahahahahaha

    Wait.....I thought ISO's were good? I thought a slow pace was good?

    Our offense is flawed for playoff success. We are a jump shooting team, that can't be taken seriously until we develop a post up game. Ball movement and attacking the rim from the weak side are what winds you games in the playoffs.
     
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    They are good, it is good.

    We need a center who demands a double team. Our team was build for that.
     
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    The runs basically run an isolation / pick and roll offense, just at a different tempo, and more importantly with different players.

    If Greg were healthy and could command a double team, we'd probably feel a lot differently about our offense.

    Having said that, I wish we ran an offense like Utah, but for whatever reason, nobody in the league can duplicate it.
     
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    when we did have greg healthy and commanding double-teams, Nate's response was:
    Oct. 26, 2009
     
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    Bwahahahaha.................Oh AssClown.
     
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    Read into what you will (assclowns), but I think he was simply trying to take some pressure off G.O. so his offense would come naturally, without force
     
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    Averaged 15pts in his last 7 games.

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