OT: Building the Jazz

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  1. KingSpeed

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    I am just amazed at the roster on the Jazz and the success they've had with it. 4 second round picks, 2 of whom (Boozer, Millsap) are their best big men. Two undrafed players, one of whom (Wesley Matthews) STARTS in his rookie year! And only ONE lottery pick (Deron Williams). It's really incredible. We're loaded with lottery picks and, partly due to injuries, we haven't been able to get out of the first round. #1- Greg Oden, #2- Camby & Aldridge, #6- Webster, #7- Roy, #8- Andre Miller, #9- Joel Przybilla. Am I missing anyone? Do we have the most lottery picks in the league? How does Utah do it?
     
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    My sources tell me that they do it by forcing a game 7 on the Lakers.
     
  3. Luther

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    You are polluting this board KS....please stop it's really annoying and nothing you are posting has any real meaning.
     
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    How about looking at it this way? They got a high lotto pick and got their all-world player at a position that's relatively rare (PG). We got ours, but he's been injured a lot--though he's played at a pretty high caliber when he's on the floor. They got a top-flight free agent in Boozer, which we haven't yet (unless you're counting Andre?). They have a couple of non-lotto picks that worked out for them and are getting some good PT in Kirilenko, Millsap and Mathews. We have a couple of non-lotto picks ourselves in Batum and Rudy that get some solid rotation minutes with us.

    They turned DeShawn Stevenson and two future draft picks into Kyle Korver (by way of Gordan Giricek). We turned Blake and Outlaw into Camby.

    I'd say that having a "system" like Sloan does allows for not only players to know what they're getting into when they arrive (it's coach's way or the highway) but that you can plug non-lotto picks in as ancillary pieces and make it work somewhat, b/c they have two Olympians on their team. We not only have none, but we don't have a system where Rudy or Webster or Miller knows a role, Batum's and Oden's are underutilized, and LMA's isn't very efficient. :dunno:
     
  5. Wheels

    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    wow that was hit outta here faster than a Byung Hyung Kim fastball (from his Diamondback days)
     
  6. KingSpeed

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    How does my post have no meaning? I'm talking basketball. Are you not amazed that the Jazz get to the second round with only 1 lottery pick? And is there any team in the league that has more lottery picks than us? It's an honest question. I guess you're interested in talking basketball. Perhaps you're the one polluting the board with negative nothing?
     
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    Take note, Luther. That was a well thought out basketball related post.
     
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    Reasonable question, reasonable answer. This thread is WIN!
     
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    I still would like to know if there is any other team in the NBA with more lottery picks than the Blazers. Can anyone think of one offhand?
     
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    +1.
     
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    I have a pair of courtside seats being held for me behind the basket on the same side as the visitors bench for Game 1 vs the Suns provided it happens. Do you want to go with me?
     
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    Interesting that they have a lot of undrafted and second round picks. Do you ever wonder why they have so many roster spots for those guys? Because for every 2nd round pick that makes it, they had a 1st round pick that did not. With 15 spots it all evens out. Deron is a stud......They bought Boozer and Okur and over paid Kirilenko. They flat out got lucky with Mathews, or they would have drafted him. They make good and bad choices like everyone else.
     
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    They drafted Kirk Snyder, but were able to make up for that mistake. Their first round picks the past 10 years have been laughable. As already pointed out, they were able to get proven productive NBA players like Boozer and Okur to make up for their horrific drafts. It doesn't matter where those two were drafted, because they proved themselves to be very good NBA players before ever playing for the Jazz.

    http://www.databasebasketball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=UTA&lg=N

    Millsap was the 3rd player they drafted in 2006, so it's not like they were eager to snap him up, either.
     
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    you are just fucking with me.... but because I love the Lakers so much and those tickets would make me be able to check off a biggie on my "bucket list" I will bite....

    Yes I want to go to the game with you, drinks on me
     
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    ...evil evil trick on me btw
     
  16. LameR

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    As was that. Wait, no...

    On topic (which is actually off topicish), I don't really want to build something to get swept by the Lakers despite what your sources may say.
     
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    They probably have the best coach in the league, that helps a ton.
     
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    Lmfao at Thrilla's deleted post. ;)
     
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    Utah's recent drafts haven't been all that awful as the early 2000's but big part of that is because they started taking value in guys that fell (Brewer, Millsap, Koufos, etc). Most of the busts that they have had really had some injury issues like Bochardt and Raul Lopez, who were both reasonably decent in their roles.

    But if you go back to look through their picks, Utah just find guys that understand their roles, and that's why Sloan is able to put them together much better than the Blazers, who really just draft the best talent available rather than the best talent for their system.
     
  20. Wheels

    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Thats why you guys have Deron and we have Martell dammit. We tried talent for our system as opposed to Best player (Paul and Williams) That bit us in the ass me thinks.
     

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