Oh, PER said it. Cute. PER also said Jason Richardson, Jameer Nelson, Paul Milsap, Dante Cunningham, Dejuan Blair have a 24 PER in the playoffs. Let's face it. Lebron played great in the playoffs until it really counted. What was his PER the last 2 games?
Hah wrong, he has 28.6 PER. 24 PER against the #1 playoff defense, get it right. He made Pierce into a ghost, and played pretty admirably for the entire series. Unless you want to ignore all the good games Jordan had against the Pistons and bring up the failures. Let's face it, he played well when it counted and his team was awful.
1988 Game 2 vs. Knicks Might have been his worst playoff game ever. He mailed it in that game. The difference is Jordan harnessed the criticism and destroyed the Knicks averaging 40+ in the next 4 games. LeBron had his moment in that 38 point outbreak in Boston, but his lack of intensity the last 2 games was shocking.
Ah forgot about that one. King had 12 FTs in the last two games, took 21 shots and had 19 boards in Game 6. I do think it had something to do with the elbow, but he was still respectable.
You can't ever compare the defenses Jordan faced with the pussy defense they play today. Go watch how Detroit and New York basically beat Jordan up in those playoff games. YouTube "The Jordan Rules" LeBron has never been malled before.
I never said he didn't. You were the one touting the 24 for the Boston Series. What was his PER for the last 2 games.
Yeah but the entire playoff PER for two rounds would be more accurate. I'm not sure what your point is? Jordan had bad games, that's why his average playoff PER is lower before age 25.
Couldn't agree more. I was expecting Lebron to go nuts last night after the criticism. Because that's what a player that is an all-time great would do. did you catch the interview blurb at the start of the show, Doc Rivers and his wife were scared as shit about this.
In defense of the NBA, Free throws have fallen somewhat since 2006 I believe. Actually I can compare, because it takes more these days to register 30 PER.
All I heard last night were announcers whining when he slashed to the rim. Turnovers and forcing the issue is indeed maximum effort.
Look the thread went off track because you implied Hollinger wrote something he didn't write. If you want us all to examine Lebron's PER over the Celtic series, do you have a source that will give a game by game breakdown of PER? He stunk in the last two games. That's the bigger point than his rounding up to get a weak MVP performance PER over 6 games. Lower? MJ's is higher in 4 of the 5 years from age 21 to 25. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
Hollinger did write that chart, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Take note, he is 25 years old when it says age 24. 37 PER, 28.6 PER, Bron wins that. Jordan is at 28.4, 28.1. Before that he played a very small sample size of games in the post-season (lost in the early rounds ;] ).
Yeah the chart is supposed to be measured against mediocre NBA defense, not 101 points allowed per 100 possessions defense. I'm not "rounding" up anything.
You basically said you read an interesting article. Instead, you looked at playoff PER statistics apparentely for that playoff round and used the standard PER guidelines Hollinger has for interpreting the numbers. This is part of the reason I asked for a link so we could get on the same page. Here is the link I found that doesn't have this chart. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15886/offense-the-offender-in-cavs-finale
What does that mean? You're fixated on PER. It's not the end all of be all. All it does is analyze boxscores that have limited statistical metrics. My comment was in response to the Celtics having the #1 defense and LeBron doing well against it. That Celtic defense is nothing near what Jordan faced in terms of physical play.
Lebron's 28 PER for the playoffs is super great. His 24.5 PER for the Celts (assuming that is correct) is pretty great. However, when considering someone to be an all-time great, let alone the GOAT, there are more considerations. LeBron has now lost twice with home court advantage. Never happened to Jordan. But this is not the end-all-be-all. It's how he went out in the last 2-3 games. I thought this was a perceptive quote from Barkley in one of Simmons columns. Simmons is obsessed with GOAT and the all time ranking of players FWIW. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100512&sportCat=nba
Vaccaro believes LeBron will leave to Chicago CHICAGO -- Sonny Vaccaro once brought LeBron James to Chicago to play in a high school charity basketball tournament at the United Center, and Vaccaro believes James could return to Chicago this summer and call the UC home. Vaccarro, long known as the most powerful man in amateur basketball and the godfather of lucrative shoe contracts before he retired, said Thursday he believes the Chicago Bulls have a chance to land James, as well as coach John Calipari. "I think there is a shot. Legitimate? Sure," Vaccaro said on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "I think that all people would be very interested. "The scenario has now been discussed, even though people deny everything. This could happen." Vaccaro said he considers James to be a friend, and Vaccaro believes James will leave the Cleveland Cavaliers to have a better shot at a championship. "If he chooses to leave, and I believe he will, he has the pick of the litter of where he can go," said Vaccarro, who touted the Bulls and Los Angeles Clippers as having top, young talent. "In my opinion, the Bulls are the perfect fit." Source: ESPN
I'm not even sure what you're arguing, HK. Lebron is great, but on my subjective scale of 1 to 10, he's about at 8 and MJ on full throttle is a 10. The rest of the Bulls that played with MJ were about a 7 and the rest of the Cavs without Lebron are probably about a 3. As in 30 win team.
