<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LUD @ May 16 2006, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Billups, Watson, KiddSG: Bowen, Buckner, RajaSF: Artest, AK47, TayshaunPF: Duncan, KG, BrandC: Big Ben, Camby, Zo</div>Great list,I agree with everyone there and think that these are the players that should've made it into the defensive team of the year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ May 15 2006, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why is Kobe on everyones list?He only decides to play defense the last 5 minutes of the game,hes an incosistent defender and does not deserve to be there over people like Raja Bell and Eddie Jones who is actually an underated defender.</div>Kobe is actually an excellent defender and really is not an inconsistant defender. He gives his all on both ends of the floor at all times (except for maybe the 2nd half of game 7 lol). But, LMFAO at people putting him above Bruce Bowen on these lists!<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LUD @ May 16 2006, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Billups, Watson, KiddSG: Bowen, Buckner, RajaSF: Artest, AK47, TayshaunPF: Duncan, KG, BrandC: Big Ben, Camby, Zo</div>Forgot all about Buckner. He's in your face at all times and also even has a nice outside shot.
I definitely don't think he deserves first team and Kobe should never be put over Bruce Bowen who is one of the premier defenders in the league.Kobe has improved on defense his last few years but he never seems to convince me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ May 16 2006, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I definitely don't think he deserves first team and Kobe should never be put over Bruce Bowen who is one of the premier defenders in the league.Kobe has improved on defense his last few years but he never seems to convince me.</div>You keep taking words right out of my mouth.
well the thing with Kobe is that he's a great defender when he wants to be. Watch his games and you'll find him playing incredibly inconsistently. When the pressure's on, and especially in crunch time he's got his man on lock-down. But then you'll see long stretches with him very loosely defending. You can see this even more so with T-Mac.
When he wants to be. Thats the key phrase. Good defenders arent good sometimes, whenever they feel like playing defense. You can't give an Defensive 1st Team to a lazy defender. Sure he plays defense when the game is tied and theres 10 seconds left, who wouldnt play defense then?
Gerald Wallace doesn't get much love in this thread, he's a very good one on one defender and he gets you 2 blocks and 2 steals a game. Come on folks. Kobe is way too high on these lists.
Wtf is wrong with you guys, Bruce Bowen isn't a f*cking Sg hes a small forwardPG- Chauncy Billups, Gary Payton, Jason KiddSG- Raja Bell, Kobe Bryant, Gerald WallaceSF- Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, Tayshaun PrincePF- Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin GarnettC- Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Alonzo Mourning
PG- Chauncey, Payton, KiddSG- Kobe, Bell, RipSF- Artest, Bowen, AKPF- Brand, Marion, SheedC- Wallace, Camby, 'Zo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 16 2006, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wtf is wrong with you guys, Bruce Bowen isn't a f*cking Sg hes a small forwardPG- Chauncy Billups, Gary Payton, Jason KiddSG- Raja Bell, Kobe Bryant, Gerald WallaceSF- Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, Tayshaun PrincePF- Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin GarnettC- Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Alonzo Mourning</div>No reason for you to saying that,especially when your wrong.Bowen made the 2006 All Defensive First Team as a Guard,Link 2006 All Defense Awards that's why Kobe should not be put over Bowen and why most people put him at the two guard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ May 15 2006, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great list,I agree with everyone there and think that these are the players that should've made it into the defensive team of the year.</div>Thanks. :winkglasses: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Billups, Watson, KiddSG: Bowen, Buckner, RajaSF: Artest, AK47, TayshaunPF: Duncan, KG, BrandC: Big Ben, Camby, ZoForgot all about Buckner. He's in your face at all times and also even has a nice outside shot.</div>Except for in the playoffs. In game 3 he went 0-11. Yea, your right though, he is always up in the face of the opposings teams best guard/foward.
Kobe bryant is an excellent defender when he applies himself [you cannot play elite defense when you have to literally carry a team day in, day out].Other than that, he's inconsistent but is still good. He isn't the best defender at sg, probably 3rd best.And to the person who put iverson on their lists because of his steals, you deserve a medal . I mean playing the passing lanes and gambling on D is great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ May 16 2006, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When he wants to be. Thats the key phrase. Good defenders arent good sometimes, whenever they feel like playing defense. You can't give an Defensive 1st Team to a lazy defender. Sure he plays defense when the game is tied and theres 10 seconds left, who wouldnt play defense then?</div>He's not a lazy defender, he just has his hands full on the offensive end every f*cking play, unlike Bowen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ May 15 2006, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im surprised to see nobody has Earl Watson on there list. He is one of the best defensive point guards in the league.</div>Agreed, and I also can't figure out why anyone would have Gary Payton on there list.PG: Jason Kidd, Earl Watson, Chauncey BillupsSG: Kobe Bryant, Gerald Wallace, Tony AllenSF: Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Andrei KirlenkoPF: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed WallaceC: Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Alonzo Mourning
He isn't called "The Glove" for nothing.Like other players performance starts to go down when your age starts to go up.Despite his age he is still a good defender, maybe not one of the best but still up there.
Dwyane wade isent one of the top defenders in the league by any stretch of the imagination but he is a very underated defender and you could probaly make a good arguement about him being a top 5-10 defender at SG
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gocelts34 @ May 18 2006, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Agreed, and I also can't figure out why anyone would have Gary Payton on there list.PG: Jason Kidd, Earl Watson, Chauncey BillupsSG: Kobe Bryant, Gerald Wallace, Tony AllenSF: Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Andrei KirlenkoPF: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed WallaceC: Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Alonzo Mourning</div>Tony Allen over Raja Bell?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ May 15 2006, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im surprised to see nobody has Earl Watson on there list. He is one of the best defensive point guards in the league.</div>I was about to say that when I saw your post. He is limited in other ways, but defensively he is better than Paul or Payton in their stages of their careers.Steals can misleading. Going for a steal a lot of the time means you are gambling leaving your teammates behind you in a bind.
One player that I think everyone forgot but is a great defender. It is Eric Snow. He has done a good job on Chauncey Billups. Payton is no longer a great defender. He shouldn't be on that list.
