I'm sorry that facts refute your fandom. His PER peaked several years ago and has fallen off since then, so yes, he's past his prime. He's still very good, but not nearly as good as he used to be. The idea that Bryant was clearly better than Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett (in their primes) or clearly better than LeBron James, Dwyane Wade or Chris Paul today is not borne out by on-court production (or even by "reputations," as O'Neal and Duncan are often argued as the greatest player of their generation and LeBron James is widely considered the best player in basketball now). Other than that, it's all BS. LOL And the idea that Wilt vs. Jordan is a bad comparison due to position is ridiculous. They're the two players most often considered the greatest ever. This isn't football...all the positions do the same things: score, rebound, pass and defend. Different positions just do different amounts of each. They're all comparable, and Jordan and Chamberlain are the two most common GOAT candidates, based on dominance. Kobe isn't in that discussion by anyone rational.
If players were judged by the intelligence of the fans arguing on their behalf, Kobe would be the worst player of his generation. (huevonkiller is the exception that proves the rule. He's high quality.)
lol whatever "kid" Thats where people lose me, seriously calling people kid, its worse than "learn the game.."
get ready to be called not 100% Laker fan. Dont worry between your not being only 50% a fan, and my onlw being 50% a fan.. together we are a full fan!!!
Oh, and I should note...I don't think it's at all fair to claim that Kobe was carried to the first three titles. I think Shaq was the most important player, as I consider him the most dominant player of his (post-Jordan) era, but Kobe was a Hall of Fame talent partner, and the Lakers absolutely needed him in order to win those titles. Kobe deserves full "credit" for those titles. Of course, in all cases (including Jordan), I'm dubious about judging players by titles won. But if titles are important, Kobe legitimately has four of them.
lol I'm a traitor to my country and my team!!! There is a small chance that I might have commited some light treason
He isn't as athletic as he once was but because of his jumpshot and postgame it makes up for any athletcism he has lost.
When Portland played against Jordan, I feared what Jordan could do. It's not the same with Kobe. Because Kobe can score a bunch, and you can still get the win. Not so much with Jordan.
Jordan never had to. He took care of teams like the lowly Raptors early. And if we're talking about points scored in a game then Wilt is the best ever. Wilt's stats were insane.
Jordan and all these superstars suffer at some point in their careers. Kobe has the single game record for PER. I will give him that.
Umm.... Kobe didn't get ONE first place vote for MVP ths year. Not a single one. So how can he be the most dominant player of his time. He wasn't even the most dominant player this year!
