What players do you think need to be more clutch? This is for star playersSteve Francis and Marbury aren't doing what they used to, and its costing their team. Don't go crazy when i say this, but this what i got when i watch the pistons games. Hamilton is the second best scorer on the team, but he seems to disapear in the end.
I've really never seen Marbury or Francis be that clutch anyways.Now I'm not saying they aren't clutch at all...but I don't think they are superstars anymore, and haven't really ever been in the position to be that clutch either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ May 16 2006, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've really never seen Marbury or Francis be that clutch anyways.Now I'm not saying they aren't clutch at all...but I don't think they are superstars anymore, and haven't really ever been in the position to be that clutch either.</div>JVG and Larry Brown Ruined their careers.
I don't understand this thread at all.If your a star player your either clutch or a choker.You want us to name chokers that have to try to be more clutch?Steve Francis and Marbury are not star players and I don't feel they have been these last few years of there careers.
Trough most of his career LeBron hasnt been clutch at all, but hes starting to do a lot better and has had 2 game winners in the playoffs, so he might be turning that around.
LeBron actually had a nice amount of games where he just didn't show up in the 4th quarter and people gave him alot of crap for it.Now he hits lots of gamewinners and people say the refs are giving him the calls,which is not true at all and sounds like an excuse for your team losing.The same can be said for Carmelo also he had a great season with plenty of winning shots but absolutely choked in the playoffs.
Shawn Marion. He is always a dissapointment to the Suns during the playoffs. He needs to step it up. BIG TIME. Or else the Suns could fall victim to the Clippers. He is their #1 scorer. He needs to act like it.
Clutch can be defined in 2 way. Game on the line, or overall game. I prefer with the game on the line, because its where the stars come out. The stats I'm about to use are from the 03-04 season (and playoffs), the 04-05 season (and playoffs), and the 05-06 season (no playoffs). On game-winning shots, which are a whole other level of clutch in itself. Game Winning shots are defined as when there is 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points. With 24 seconds or less, then it truly is a "last possession" situation potentially. With a margin from tied to down 2, the team can take the lead with a made basket (including 3's). By excluding a down 3 situation, we don't have the "gimme two point buckets" that defenses will sometimes yield to the quick bucket/intentional foul strategy option you often see exercised.The worst performers in this game-winning shots category are Chauncey Billups(5/29, 19.2%), Gilbery Arenas and Mike Bibby (5/16, 31.3%), Chris Webber (5/17, 29%), Kevin Garnett (5/21, 23.8%), Kobe Bryant (7/32, 21.9%), Vince Carter (8/31, 25.8%), Baron Davis and Mike James (4/13, 30.8%), Rasheed Wallace (4/18, 22%), LeBron James (4/19, 21%), Jason Richardson (3/20, 15%), Rashard Lewis (2/11, 18.5%), Jermaine O'Neal (2/14, 14.3%), Corey Magette (1/11, 9.1%), Stephon Marbury (1/12, 8.3%), Steve Nash (1/15, 6.7%), Sam Cassell (0/6, 0%).Dont be fooled people, stats dont lie. These people are all not very clutch.Edit: Please excuse the incoherence of my first paragraph. I literally just woke up.Another Edit: Source http://www.82games.com/random12.htm
Marion got abused by Odom in the Lakers-Suns series but he still isn't doing that bad.He averaged 21 points in the regular season and has been averaging 18 points so far in the playoffs.I agree though a player of his caliber should be putting up better numbers rather then worst numbers.Another thing is he is a very efficienct player and has not been in the playoffs.
Game winning shots don't determine clutchness, the performance in the entire fourth quarter does, and Chauncey Billups is very clutch. Stats are decieving sometimes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistonfan11 @ May 16 2006, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Game winning shots don't determine clutchness, the performance in the entire fourth quarter does, and Chauncey Billups is very clutch. Stats are decieving sometimes.</div>Says a Pistons fan. Hahahaha. Clutchness determines if you win games. Whats a more telling stat about winning games than game winning shots?I see where your coming from though. It doesnt really include games where a team pulled away in the last 2 minutes. (I specifically remember a Celtics game I was at this year vs. the Clippers where the Celtics were down 11 at the start of the 4th, and it was 17 at one point in the 3rd. They got it all the way down to like 3 or something, and then Cassell just started raining threes and withing the final 2 minutes the Clippers outscored us by 14.) That I'd say was pretty clutch and thats a different stat set. But I do think the stats I presented do show for the most part how clutch those players are.
I'm not a Piston fan but I do have to agree Chauncey has been a clutch player.In the playoffs is where he really shines and taking a game winning shot is never easy unless your wide open.Chauncey is a good 4th quarter player no matter what the facts say.
Being a good 4th quarter player, and being a clutch player with the game on the line are 2 hugely different things. Dont confuse them.
Clutch by means playing well in important moments. It can be the playoffs, 4th quarters or those last 20 seconds of a game.
Being "clutch" is overrated anyway. Sure there are players that seem to be clutch, but most of their shots just make sense. Clutch players are almost always the team's best shooter/player (Kobe, Reggie, MJ, etc.). Almost all the game-winners are shots they'd regularly make in the flow of the offense. For example, the VAST majority of Kobe's buzzer-beaters all just happen to be from free-throw line extended. That's not clutch, that's just confidence.Before any of you guys start to argue, even the role platers who are considered clutch usually hit shots they'd normally hit. Steve Kerr, Robert Horry, and so on and so forth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ May 17 2006, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Being "clutch" is overrated anyway. Sure there are players that seem to be clutch, but most of their shots just make sense. Clutch players are almost always the team's best shooter/player (Kobe, Reggie, MJ, etc.). Almost all the game-winners are shots they'd regularly make in the flow of the offense. For example, the VAST majority of Kobe's buzzer-beaters all just happen to be from free-throw line extended. That's not clutch, that's just confidence.Before any of you guys start to argue, even the role platers who are considered clutch usually hit shots they'd normally hit. Steve Kerr, Robert Horry, and so on and so forth.</div> I completly agree, when people talk about clutchness (it seems like their is a new 'clutchness' topic here every day) it's the most annoying debate in basketball.
