One Truehoop Writer's Opinion of PHI's #2 pick

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  1. BGrantFan

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    I don't know about that. Portland won 54 games with Blake and he shot very well in the playoffs with a shoulder that needed surgery after the series.
     
  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Got the question answered, right? ;)
     
  3. axs88

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    If this is all it takes to get #2, get it and package it with parts (Bayless?) to SA (who seem to be after Favors) for Parker.

    Parker
    Roy
    Batum
    Aldridge
    Oden
     
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    Sorry, just saw this one.
     
  5. Ed O

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    I was never a HUGE Blake fan, but... yes. He is not a difference-maker, but he's a slightly sub-average starting PG. He's adequate until we get something better.

    Stepping down from Miller to Blake would be worth it if we can acquire a prospect like Turner.

    Ed O.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    I wouldn't trade the #2 pick for Parker who could very well bolt after this season.

    Also, I'd probably have a tough time choosing between Turner and Favors.

    Favors measured nearly identical to Dwight Howard at the same age; He's four years younger than Turner; He's big enough to play Center full time. Etc.
     
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    I wouldn't take either. I'd try to grab an asset, possibly from NJ, trading from 2-3, maybe the 27th. Maybe some package for Harris? I dunno. Then, find the highest bidder for Favors/Cousins, and move #3. Would NJ prefer Turner to Favors? Bayless, Webster, Rudy and #2 for Harris and #3. Or 2 for 4 and Love, then 4 for Parker. I don't think we have the salary to actually make that work out. I'd start playing teams off of eachother, though, to find the highest bidder for 2, 3, or 4 for sure.
     
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    It's obviously a no brainer if PA is willing to pay the dollars, but I find it highly doubtful that Philly would ever consider this.
     
  9. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The winnah

    Two solid ball-handlers with playmaking skills in Turner and Roy and Batum even able to fit the bill somewhat, seems like a pretty intriguing backcourt. Certainly not traditional, and with some question marks (mostly because Turner isn't exactly a great outside shooter) but it seems like something that could be workable.

    If it doesn't work, then you probably still have options down the line if you need to trade for a more traditional point guard (say use Batum and Bayless along with somebody else to go out and pursue a really, really good veteran point).
     
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    It's always great to see everyone throw around all their brilliant trade scenarios and genius ideas. That way when none of these things happen again, everyone will once again have gotten such overblown expectations as to what is actually possible, that they can once again fault KP for not magically fulfilling any of their fantasies.
     
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    or, when you see an even dumber trade ACTUALLY happen, we can feel good about ourselves and laugh at those that said that they were magical fantasies. :)
     
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    Repped, with the caveat being that I think the people proposing these trades actually believe they could make them happen if they were in Pritchard's shoes. I think it's far beyond setting up a strawman to later criticize Pritchard with when he doesn't make it happen. I think there is a certain degree of delusion associated with some of these posts.
     
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    I felt like standing up and clapping my hands after this post.
     
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    Don't forget that other GMs don't like Pritchard, according to Wojo. Did you consider this in your assessment.
     
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    You're all correct. The rest of the league GMs sit on their hands and do nothing at the draft, or Free Agency, or the Trade Deadline. wait......hold on......that's Danny Ainge, Mitch Kupchak, Danny Ferry, Otis Smith, and Steve Kerr waving their hands wanting to speak. Amazingly enough, each of these GMs involved in "how'd that happen" trades has made it to the Conference Finals!?!
    To recap: Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett for #5 and Al Jefferson.
    Pau Gasol for his younger brother, 2 high-20's picks and expiring contracts
    Getting Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison for 3 scrubs and the #30 pick
    Vince Carter for Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston and Tony Battie!
    Shaq for Mike James and Marion, and then turning around for salary savings (bought-out Ben Wallace)

    Maybe add these surprise playoff GMs to that: Pritchard and Presti.
    Outlaw + Blake for Camby
    (whole page of posts detailing what Presti's done, including getting 2 first round picks to take a player and 1 for trading him away)

    I get that people like KP and want to think that he hasn't missed a step since March 2007. It sucks for those people that there are so many armchair quarterback-wannabe-GMs here, knowledgeable about the game, with good ideas and long memories.
     
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    Uh, yeah... that's exactly what I think.... or not.

    But great random hyperbole and exaggeration.
     
  17. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I'm sorry, did I misrepresent your post somehow? If so, I apologize. I was specifically referring to the bolded:
    All I did was show how 5 GMs have made "huh? how did THAT happen?" trades over the past 3 years, with less available to trade than we have, who have "magically" pulled of a trade anyway, and all of whom made it to the conference finals in the last two years. I fault KP for not doing things like trading RLEC, for missing on some pretty high-profile draft picks, etc. Your quip about "not fulfilling any fantasies" seemed snarky enough to me to warrant hyperbole coming back at you, but I guess I must've misread it. When in fact, lots of GMs have done much more with much less, and gotten much farther than KP has. My magical fantasy or not.

    But getting back to the post at hand, I took a logical--I wouldn't say "brilliant", though maybe you would-- step (multiple "reports" have said that all you had to do for the #2 pick was take Brand's contract) and asked someone with some access to intel around the league if that REALLY was true, or if it was a pipe dream, and provided a scenario. The author laughed at other "homeristic" trade scenarios that came up in the same chat, while confirming (to the best of his knowledge, of course--PHI may be setting one heckuva smokescreen) that PHI just wanted out from Brand's contract and didn't have a burning desire to take Turner, so that the scenario provided was a good representation of the value needed coming back. Last year the same thing could've happened for the #5 pick (which became Rubio, but Curry was still on the board). Think maybe Curry or Rubio might've helped us last year? Or would've gotten some good run and been better this year? Yeah, those would've been some "overblown expectations".
     
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    I accept your apology.

    I'm well aware there have been lop-sided trades from time to time. However, that doesn't make me expect it to happen for the Blazers, or think it should happen simply because some 12 year old on sportstwo.com came up with a rockin' idear the other day... And before you misinterpret me again, I'm not talking about you, just as I wasn't talking about you earlier.

    I was simply making a general observation: The funny side-effect of all the ideas/speculation (which usually favor the Blazers), is that there becomes a group that actually starts to expect Raef's contract to net us an all-star. And they build it up and build it up and then when nothing happens they fault KP. Why oh why didn't he do something? How could he pass up on all these fantasies that I've been reading for the past three months? Clearly he doesn't know how to make mid-season trades! They act like they know all the circumstances and what was being offered to Pritchard and how could he be so stupid to pass on it. It's bullshit. And I've seen it over and over.

    Just because a fan comes up with an idea, even a reasonable one like yours, doesn't make it even remotely possible. Every team and their situation is different. Simply because one GM was able to trade Mike James & Marion for Shaq doesn't mean KP could have. Do you know why? Because we didn't have Mike James & Marion. All I know is our team looks pretty good all things considered, and we didn't before, so I don't see the fucking problem. If you want to interpret that as me thinking KP is perfect, then whatever.
     
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    Miller, Pendergraph for Brand

    #2, Bayless, Pryzbilla for Parker seems like a fair deal to me.

    Seraphin (project) with #22

    Parker/Koponen
    Roy/Rudy
    Batum/Webster
    Aldridge/Cunningham
    Oden/Camby

    That could be an incredibly versatile (and injury prone) team.
     
  20. illmatic99

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    On a side note, I found out today that I will most likely be moving to Philly in the fall, and will be living there for the near future. I need them to keep on sucking so tickets are cheap.

    TRADE THE PICK.
     

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