Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom Izzo

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    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

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    It seems that Lebron's camp's plan is to put out a new leak every day, each time embracing a different city. July 8 can't come soon enough because I'm really starting to get tired of this. I'm not an NBA player but I absolutely don't understand the Izzo attraction. It's a recipe for coaching disaster.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Coaching disaster? This isn't Tim Floyd. Coaches as good as Izzo move to the pros once every 10 or 15 years. The last one was Pitino and he was pretty good in his first coaching stop. Good enough to get a second job in the pros with more power.

    If guys like VDN and Monty Williams can get hired, let's face it, nba coach isn't that exclusive a club.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Wikipedia (which is never wrong)

    It's lame quoting from Wikipedia, but that is absolutely consistent with how I remember Pitino. In all fairness, I don't remember Pitino's stint with the Knicks, but Floyd also got a second pro coaching gig after he was fired.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Rick Pitino has pretty much always been known as a major league douche. And remember, I'm saying this as a guy who was at least interested in seeing if he'd fit in here with the Bulls. As a coach, he's a very good coach. Beyond coaching, it's sort of sad to say that Pitino would probably be better remembered as a failed GM in Boston than as the possibly too drink-inclined guy who's been paying for abortions from his bathroom hookups with his UofL staff's wives. OK, only one abortion from one hookup with the wife of a staff member. I shouldn't exaggerate and make him seem like a bad guy or anything. :sigh:

    But yeah, Tom Izzo.... is not Rick Pitino. Being from MSU, I've followed him pretty closely, love the guy, and hope he doesn't leave. I can't imagine he would without something like an iron-clad guarantee that Lebron is staying. And I do think he can be successful as a pro coach because he knows the game, but I do worry he's going to have a hard time motivating pros the way he motivates college kids. His best work has been in promoting MSU basketball, to its players, as being damn close to being part of a family. I just don't see how that can fly in the pros, and without it, he's just another good coach. Maybe he's got a mindset for dealing with that, he's a very smart guy. But I could see pro players making every vein in his neck simultaneously explode.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    This
    tells everything you need to know about the Cavs, tells that Lebron is leaving, and tells that Izzo would be wise to look elsewhere.
    It's nice to have a good relationship with Dan Gilbert, I guess, but still, eventually he'll hire another GM, and you won't be his guy. Don't do it!
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    The fact that Izzo has hesitated for days to accept the job speaks volumes as to how the organization feels about James returning. I mean, any other coach offered that amount of money and have James stay would have said hell ya! Where do I sign?

    Izzo didn't do that.

    Tells me, he knows, the Cavs know James is gone.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Hey Mike:

    What do you think are the chances that MSU is about to be hit with sanctions? That was my first thought about the situation.

    --

    After thinking about the article for a day, I have some empathy for LJ. He's in a situation where he had to make a press release of some sort. The comments he made were the only way he could go, sans making a commitment to the Cavs.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Hey, I haven't heard anything about sanctions regarding MSU. I wouldn't guess I wouldn't be utterly shocked if there were sanctions and Izzo was trying to out run them, because I think it's probably damn hard not to break all the rules in college hoops. That being said, he's about the last guy I'd expect to incur major sanctions or to run out before they hit.

    I guess it wouldn't be like Cal Ripkin announcing he was on roids all those years, but it'd be surprising.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Yeah -- The thing that made me wonder was (I think it was) McGraw's article where he mentioned that the only college coach he thought was in the running for the Bulls gig was Izzo. He didn't give any reason supporting his thoughts, just a "for reasons." That, and I kind of assume that any college program that is successful will eventually be hit with sanctions, with the exception of Duke, where the players wait until graduation to be paid by boosters for their college play.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    That very well could be how MSU works too. They've got a really tight "family" of ex players. Of course, non of them have made the sort of money ex-Duke guys seem to, seeing as how they're not on an obvious career path to ESPN
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Well there seems to be a twist to the 'Bron behind Izzo 100% phrase!
    The words belong to Wojnarowski!

    http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Apparently Tom Izzo told LeBron and Cleveland they could kiss his behind. 100%.

    I think the Cav's are screwed 10 ways to Sunday.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Moo U 4EVA
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Amazing isn't it! A sixty win team, lost fired it's head coach, their GM stepped down, couldn't hire a top 10 college coach for 5 or 6 mill a year, and one of the top players in the league, if not the best, appears to be leaving.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Let the JJ Hickson era begin.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    You'd think Antawn Jamison would inspire more confidence!

    That being said, it is a little interesting that they're quite this untouchable. If you look at the worst case scenario where Lebron leaves, the new coach will have low expectations and therefore lots of time to work with, the team will have max cap space, and it's not a complete disaster with respect to talent. They're pretty comparable, without Lebron, to say, the Washington Wizards, maybe. Which yeah, it isn't a title contending situation, but it's probably a desirable job.

    They've still got the GM situation hanging out there though, and no coach wants to be hired up and then have to work with a GM who didn't hire him. That might be a bigger issue than losing Lebron to a lot of guys, because most guys don't get to coach Lebron in the first place.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Already hired the GM. Chris Grant was immediately promoted after Danny Ferry resigned.

    It's not a bad situation to be in. This team is not the trainwreck it was pre-LeBron, and the organization is certainly better than it was during the Embry days (we actually own all of our future first round picks minus this year's, strangely enough, unlike when Ferry got here).
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    I don't think a pro-virgin is the best fit for Cleveland.
     
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    Re: Cle. PD: LeBron James '100 percent' behind Cleveland Cavaliers' bid to hire Tom I

    Virgin head coach, or just virgin to the NBA game in general?

    I'm not too worried about getting a first time head coach, that wouldn't bother me much at all actually considering what else is available. Barring Phil Jackson becoming available, someone like Brian Shaw wouldn't be a bad fit in Cleveland.
     
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