The Gulf Oil Spill

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  1. HailBlazers

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    friend of a friend just got back from New Orleans, said it ranked like Oil

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  2. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    my heart sank when I read this. I love fishing and surfing and we're suppose to get this stuff on our coast too. It's not suppose to be that bad by the time it gets to NC though.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The obvious solution is to move the orphanage away from the highway.

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  4. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Yes.

    In other words, it's better to put a fence at the top of a hill than a hospital at the bottom.
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Crime is not the fault of the criminal, it is the fault of the cops that didn't catch him.

    barfo
     
  6. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Therefore, get rid of the cops.
     
  7. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Nope, crime is the fault of the criminal and they're responsible for the actions. But I'm still trying to figure out what the criminal act is here. They submitted a plan for mitigation of any accident. It was approved as being adequate. Crandc's the only one who's brought up potential criminal actions against BP (for killing endangered species, I think she said, which kind of makes sense). Are they being charged with anything?
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't think they have been formally charged with anything yet. Investigations are underway. Here's one person's analysis of what the crimes could be:

    barfo
     
  9. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I am in no way on the side of BP here, but I find it difficult to believe if the Justice Department brought any kind of criminal case that the people they charged could receive anything close to a fair trial.

    A guy in the oil business lives a couple of houses from me here in Denver and he ran through a long list of the ways BP cut corners. He said they fought Transocean on a couple of critical parts, specifically with the timeline to recycle the mud to make sure the gas was out of it. BP said a 5-6 hours was enough when standard practice is at least 48 hours.

    However, he also said that in his mind the government bears some responsibility for poor crisis management. He said regardless what BP said to the Administration, there should have been someone there who knew enough about the oil business to know that you bring EVERYTHING to bear. In other words, you not only put on a belt, but suspenders. He also said that the emphasis at MMS has gone from "old" technologies to "green" ones, and there are few people left who really understand the risks of deepwater drilling.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/22/judge-halts-obamas-oil-drilling-ban/

    Judge halts Obama's oil-drilling ban

    A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

    Judge Martin L.C. Feldman issued an injunction, saying that the moratorium will hurt drilling-rig operators and suppliers and that the government has not proved an outright ban is needed, rather than a more limited moratorium.

    He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban.

    "Much to the government's discomfort and this Court's uneasiness, the summary also states that 'the recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.' As the plaintiffs, and the experts themselves, pointedly observe, this statement was misleading," Judge Feldman said in his 22-page ruling.
     
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    A friend of mine gives me his issues of Rolling Stone after he reads them, I've been really impressed with their coverage of stories that has nothing to do with music or celebs. The Gulf Oil Spill article was excellent. So is the current one on McChrystal. You'd think RS would be slanted to left but I've found their articles to be very "fair and balanced".
     
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    PJ O'Rourke, who's a big time libertarian/conservative did a lot of their foreign and political stuff through the 1990s. I totally agree that they're way better than average when they set their mind to it. Kind of like how when things are really bad in the Harry Potter books, the nutcase newspaper suddenly gets serious and accurate and all the "real" newspapers get taken over by Voldemort propaganda.

    That chick who wrote those Harry Potter books is pretty bright and seems to be fundamentally libertarian her logic too. Most real artists are when you get down to it.
     
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  16. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    If this Administration keeps pushing BP, BP has weapons at its disposal: http://www.grist.org/article/2010-06-23-reasonably-high-chance-bp-files-for-bankruptcy/

    BP made a huge mistake, no question about it. However, that doesn't mean they get to be a punching bag for political gain. Right now, they've pledged to make right what they can. That condition may not always be the case if they keep being villified by the people who did little to limit the environmental damage.
     
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  18. bluefrog

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    It's not a bad article but it just seems like a lot of hearsay and conjecture by Dutch people. A lot of key facts are missing. There's no mention of the U.S. officials that turned down the superior Dutch oil cleaning technology or even specifics on how good their technology is. The article only mentions that their equipment cleans up "most of the oil" and spits out "nearly oil-free water" back into the ocean. Most of the oil could be 75% and nearly oil-free water could be 25% oil going back into the ocean. There's a mention that BP wanted the equipment but no quote to back up that assertion.
     
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