Warriors trade Corey Maggette to the Bucks for Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell

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  1. Doctor Kajita

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    Congratulations on the baby!!! I hope that the Warriors are sold before your baby takes its first steps!
     
  2. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Re: Bucks interested in Maggette?

    Totally agreed Philsmith. Thank god Salmons opted out and thank god the Bucks GM is oblivious. Salmons is a really solid player who is team oriented and has an all around game. Mags ppg and rebound numbers might look similar but the contributions on the court are a fraction of what Salmons can bring.

    Seems like Milwaukee had a good shot of retaining Salmons for cheaper than what Mags is getting paid too. The Bucks got worse today even though they think that they just recovered from Salmons opting out brilliantly. BTW Mags + Skiles seems like a terrible combo.
     
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    Re: Bucks interested in Maggette?

    lol totally. Skiles is a tough-minded scrapper who believes in defense. He won't be happy with Maggette lolly-gagging on defense.

    I do have to give credit to Riley for finding a way to dump Mags. I've been dreaming for this for a while. And we get cap space to boot. Things seem to be shaping up.
     
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    I totally agree, very well put HiRez. I know, the young guys would be scrapping on defense, Morrow and Curry would be lighting it up, Tolliver diving for loose balls, everyone playing together, and then in comes Mags, and it was like ... OHHHHHH.... GAAWWWWDDDD.... Groan. lol
     
  5. Run BJM

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    Re: Bucks interested in Maggette?

    One thing we can agree on regarding Riley is that he has a knack for dumping pricey veterans for useless players with expiring contracts.
     
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    Re: Bucks interested in Maggette?

    Just merged the two threads since they were discussing the same topic.
     
  7. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Congratulations!

    No more mags! We could probably trade Ellis to move up in the draft, use Charlie Bell as the backup combo guard.
     
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    Congrats Cohan Hater! I hope you enjoy being a family man.

    This is a good deal for Larry Riley. He got rid of a bad contract most of thought would be near impossible to get rid of.

    Tonight, I heard Mullin said that it wasn't him who wanted to sign Mags while Rowell said it wasn't him who wanted to sign Mags. I'm pretty sure Mullin signed Mags, but someone else on the team could have wanted him. I think it was Rowell. Does anyone know for sure? This was after the Warriors found out that Brand didn't want to come to GS-land.

    The true test for Nelson comes in finding a replacement for Maggette at SF or was that PF? Right now, we're not as good offensively in regards to scoring. He already said that he could take a D-League player and turn him into a $4 M one :lol:.
     
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    Yes! Congratulations on the baby!!!
     
  10. CohanHater

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    Thanks All. I got myself a little point guard, he's got daddy's looks, hopefully he gets mommy's family's height :lol:.

    As for the Warriors, We'll need to get our heads around the cap situation scenarios. Especially the scenario that Monta gets moved. I guess we'll know more after Thursday where we stand.
     

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    My understanding is that Cohan denied the contract extension Mully had negotiated with Baron. I think at that point Mullin was still in charge of all GM duties but Cohan/Rowell had veto power and decided to veto BD. To my knowledge the subsequent moves to go after Brand and Arenas and ultimately sign Mags and Turiaf were Mullin's moves. As bad as Mags signing was we're lucky we didn't get Arenas, Brand or Baron on long term deals lol. Mags we managed to dump for nothing. Philly allegedly would trade the second overall pick to dump Brand.

    I'm reading more and more journalists who think this is a move in which Riley is acting independent of Nellie and forcing Nellie to play Randolph/Wright at the 4. I'm not so sure about that. As for replacements for Mags I think we'll be just as well off with Azu/Reggie at the 3. Maybe now we have space to bring back Raja Bell? And if Nellie/Riley really are high on Wright and/or Randolph or on the flip side maybe they're really high on an SF in the draft then maybe we get our replacement tomorrow. Xavier Henry? Paul Geroge? Wes Johnson? Aminu?

    The Post-Maggette Cap Picture by Adam Laurdisen
    I believe we added a little more than a million dollars to this year's team salary but obviously the payoff will come in the next two seasons. Riley is doing a nice job of stripping the team down so that the next owner will have some good flexibility and cheap, young pieces to work with.

    Wonder if Beans goes next...
     
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  13. jason bourne

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    It was a bad move by Mullin to sign Mags for the max or close to it, and I agree we were lucky that neither Brand nor Arenas wanted to come here. The Arenas offer was especially insane and came out of nowhere. I wonder if that came from Cohan? However, Mullin did get an agreement with Baron which may not have been a bad deal considering it was relatively cheap and then we still would have both Baron and Jackson. Still, I'm glad Mullin is gone.

    As for Riley, the jury is still out. If he's forcing Nelson to play Randolph/Wright at the 4, then it would be interesting. Raja Bell would be okay, but we have Charlie Bell. Ding.

    Riley hasn't screwed up that bad, but the Warriors W-L record speaks for itself. Riley is unconventional in that he rather go with D-League players than draft picks. If he gets Monroe or Cousins, then AB is likely gone. I'm keeping an eye on Aminu and Udoh as Riley liked them. Also, Riley didn't go for Paul George.
     
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    I like this article because it really gets to what's the heart of the Warrior problem: being stuck in perpetual limbo. I totally agree that if you're going to strip it down and start over, then really do it, don't go half way, don't sign any more overpriced Maggettes. Maggette and most of the other Warriors need to be held up as the example that shows you don't win in this league with lots of mediocre to good talent. You need at least one and preferably two stars, and some solid role players who can scrap and play some D. Not a bunch of tweeners, projects, one-dimensional, questionable talents with "upside", etc. I'd rather be paying two superstars $35M than half a dozen mediocre talents who fill roster spots but don't help you win. I say keep Curry and maybe at least one of Wright/Randolph and burn the rest down to the ground, get our cap into shape and consolidate talent.
     
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    I always thought Mullin signed Maggette for a last "eff you" to the warriors because he had a feeling he was going to get screwed by the organization. Signing him to a large contract when there were many other FAs available at the time. That's just my opinion.
     
  16. Run BJM

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    Lol then why did he give us all those other "eff you's" with Derek Fisher, Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle? I think Mullin thought it was a good move even though Mags was really only getting MLE offers from winning teams.
     
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    I think Mullin may had already been out the door, though not officially, when the Warriors signed Maggette. I think it may had been more of a Larry Riley or Rowell move.
     
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    lol you're right. I was just trying to give Mullin a break. He did trade away those contracts for good players
     
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    Riley is getting rid of Mullin's picks. If the Warriors get Cousins or Monroe, then AB will likely go on the trading block. However, our team will still be very young and it may not be enough to make the playoffs. Riley has to land a big name free agent or get an all-star in trade to be our go-to guy. I like Chris Bosh and would be willing to package AB, Wright, expirings and a pick to get him.

    PG: Curry, Watson
    SG: Ellis, Morrow, Charlie Bell
    C: #6, Tolliver, Turiaf
    PF: Bosh, Randolph
    SF: Buike, Reggie

    Trading block: AB, Wright, Gadzuric (expiring), Radman (expiring), Raja Bell (restricted), Hunter
     
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    I have to believe that Maggette was not a Mully choice. Think about it, even if Mully made all those other bad moves, he's smart enough to see Maggette for what he is and he had absolutely zero potential for making the guys around him better. Say what you want about Dunleavy, Murphy and Foyle, they at least tried on D and passed the ball, if anything, they were too unselfish and that was their downfall. Now Fisher, we all know what I thought of that guy (but he is a hard nosed guy who was probably a great guy in the locker room) Maggette was exactly the opposite. Its more plausible that Rowell/Cohan/Nellie fell in love with his numbers and wanted a knee jerk reaction to BD.

    Congrats Cohan Hater!!! I love watching my boys play hoops or whatever.
     

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