GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Kenyon

Also heard that GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Kenyon Martin. Can't be done till August 22nd.--DraftExpress

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Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Martin has a $16.5 mils player option for this year, which he will definitely take, and then he will be FA next year. That's a ton of cap room. But Gadz will expire anyway, so basically you do this to get the Biedrins contract of a flat $9 mils per year over the next 4 years (last is PO) off the books.

But do we just want to get Beans off the books? That's all this would be? Frankly, at a flat 9 mils for 3 years + 4th PO, I don't get it. I am still a big fan of his, and I believe in him (when healthy with the right PG, which Curry is IMO). If anything, his contract is a nice trade piece, why not use it to get draft picks or something, just simply giving him away to free up cap room doesn't work for me.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Deal makes sense if you believe that Beans is not likely to get better and has regressed to the point of being unusable with the current roster. He fits well with the Nuggets, he defends, rebounds, sets picks, hustles, does not need/openly desires to score. Getting his contract off the books basically gets you to the point of all set to build around Curry.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Biedrins' contract is not a nice trade piece, it's an awful one. But luckily, Biedrins plays a desirable position and does all the dirty work without the need to dominate possessions, so he's pretty valuable from a talent aspect. (If only he can get his 60% FT back).

At this point, the Warriors can't be greedy. They need to set the table for the next ownership, give them a clean slate to build around Curry. I am totally in favor for all out salary dumps. If we start talking about getting talent for those players (Beans and Monta), then the Warriors set themselves up to fail again with committed money to non-star players. They are taking a couple steps back in order to gain several steps forward. If they try to add talent through trade, they will just end up where they were before. Stuck.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

They need someone with less tattoos to balance it out but with better spray on tan. But, they both probably use the same amount of gel. Birdman more because he has more hair.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Actually, Biedrins contract is not as bad as it seems because it's flat. It actually gets relatively better as the years move on.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Yeah, that's true. But, let's admit that his contract isn't necessarily a trade talking point for the W's when trying to sell him to another team. It's the 2nd biggest contract on the team and it's obvious that a big reason to trade him is to offload that commitment. Yeah, putting it in perspective with other big men contracts around the league, it's not that bad, but as far as the Warriors are concerned, it's the 2nd biggest contract on the team and that's what other teams will leverage against.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Think about it, if the Warriors move Biedrins and Ellis, the new owner can say to the free agents in '11, "I've only got Curry under contract, its basically cleared up. There is no more Cohan/Nellie/Rowell stupidity/gimmicky ball. This is about playing basketball in front of the most loyal fan base in the NBA in one of the most beautiful spots in the world."

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Good point.

I rather keep AB since we do not have a starting center otherwise. Plus, AB fits with what Riley wants from a center and he's only 24. Look, big men take years to develop, so don't just toss AB away for contract reasons or for draft picks. These guys do not grow on trees. You're looking at two to three years to develop another starting center. I don't want to go with Tolliver or Hunter and expect them to be the starter.

What's a better way to go is to draft a center, like a Monroe, and then see how he does while AB continues to start. If you can live with a backup center while the new guy develops, then you can trade AB.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Here's an update:

Dave Krieger of The Denver Post reports the Nuggets want to acquire Andris Biedrins.
Krieger writes:

http://http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15415380

K-Martin is a HUGE expiring contract at $16.5 mils. This would be crazy, but if the Warriors traded Monta/Beans for KMart, they would basically have EVERYONE on the team coming off the books next year except Curry, Randolph, Wright, Turiaf, Bell, and Udoh. Basically, they would have something like $35 mils in expiring contracts. That's insane.

Although, you have to wonder what that would get you. I mean, if we didn't have Monta right now, and you told me we signed a guy like that for a flat $11 mils for the next 4 years, I would say for GS that's a great deal and we probably couldn't have done much better. But we have Monta right now. I'm just thinking could we really lure anyone better with the cap room than Monta/Beans? If not, then it's probably best to keep them.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Forget the expiring contracts and keep Beans. He would have averaged a dub-dub and probably would have had the highest shooting percentage if you throw last year out.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

If my memory is correct, I believe Biedrins often played some of his best games against Denver, for whatever that is worth.

I am definitely not interested in getting rid of Monta and Biedrins for Kenyon Martin.

I think this type of deal is certainly one we wait to see what the new ownership/management wants to do. If Nelson is still the head coach, maybe we want to do the deal with Gadzuric as salary filler. If we get a new coach, then maybe not.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Warriors need to start over. But I'm thinking Monta and Biedrins bring more than $16.5 in expiring contracts. There's got to be a cheap draft pick in there somewhere, Ty Lawson, someone (of course cannot get Lawson with Curry).

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

I think AB had some nice dub-dub games against them in 2007 and 2008. If the new owner is Larry Ellison, then Rowell-Riley-Nelson are gone. Brian Shaw is still in play because he didn't sign with Cleveland. AB had really come into his own, so I would not be willing to trade him so fast unless we had someone who could take his place. We don't and I wouldn't count on Udoh unless it's Nelson who's the coach.

As for free agents, we are finding out that teams are willing to overpay to keep their own (of course, some of these will end up as bad contracts!). There won't be too many players, let alone all-stars or potential all-stars that will want to come here. Even with Ellison, we'll have to establish a team that can make the playoffs on a consistent basis. Thus, I'm not in favor of just going for cap space and rather generate some draft picks. We need a mixture of vets and younger guys who can replace them should they leave. A nice balance of cap space and draft picks will do that.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

I think Biedrins needs to show that he can make some free throws or his career is pretty much in the trash. If he focuses on strength and free throws in the off-season, he can regain that confidence and be a valuable commodity at the trade deadline.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Yeah that's a good point, I think the larger point being he needs to show he can be stronger mentally. Those missed FTs destroyed his confidence in general. So he needs to show he can conquer that demon and come back better than ever.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

I dunno, I feel that his poor season was because he never recovered fully from his injuries. (Back and sports hernia I believe were two of his injuries, and they're sometimes lingering.) FT were a problem, but he was also fouling way too often, as bad or worse than when he was a rookie. Hopefully, the offseason has been long enough for him to sharpen up both mentally and physically, there's no other reason for him to have fallen off so severely; I do believe he will be back to normal form this season though, and don't want to trade him unless there's some young talent on the other end of the deal. K-Mart's expiring contract isn't worth giving up on Biedrins, and Denver has little else of value they're willing to give up like the article says. Super-inflated big men contracts are just the way of business in the NBA, so if we give Biedrins up, we'll just end up having to pay someone who's possibly worse the big bucks. There are several potential free agent big men next season though, but aside from a few members from the 2007 draft class, none are really that much more serviceable than Biedrins.

 

Re: GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Ken

Good points. And to think of it, Biedrins is still only 24 years old! I mean the rookie Udoh is 23 (granted a young 23). I am thinking last season was just a fluke and this year he'll be back to being his normal energy team MVP-ish player, as long as he can get over his injuries.

Also I am not big on dumping a bunch of salaries either. I am for having cap flexibility, but I recall teams like Orlando and Chicago doing this for the TMac and I think others sweepstakes (similar to this offseason granted some of these players are much better than TMac etc) and I don't think it really helped either team that much. I think the strategy may backfire on teams doing it this offseason too. But we shall see soon enough.