Hollinger on CP3 and Portland

Yeah, but this would not be the case. For us to win titles, our hopes all depend on a healthy and beast Oden. Roy is a good number 2 to a all-star number 1 in Oden, but I just don't think he gets it done for us as the number 1 option, as good as he is.

 

Even if we were to obtain Paul and Boozer, it would be Roy who would be this team's star night in and night out. He'd score 20, get 6 boards and average 4.5 assists per game. And he'd be "the man" and Paul would find himself leading the league in assists, but only averaging 16 pts. A game.

And we'd be an elite team, playing LA for the a trip to the Finals.

 

Paul wouldn't have to be our best player, if Oden's health improves. If your question allowed the 6-0 player to be the 2nd best player on a championship team, my answer would be:

On the 1957 Celtics the leading scorers were 6-1 Sharman and 6-0 Cousy, both over 20 ppg. In the ABA's 1st season in 1968, the Pittsburgh Pipers had Charles Williams as their 2nd leading scorer, 20.8 ppg after Connie Hawkins.

But the answer to your challenge is...Isaiah Thomas, 1990. He led the team in PER. He was almost, but not quite the PER leader in their 1989 championship team.

 

Some were close to 6-0. Gus Williams 1979 was 6-2. The 1972 Lakers were led by 6-3 West and 6-1 Goodrich, both over 20 ppg.

 

I don't think it's over-analysis to wonder if Roy's talents would be wasted being asked to play a Rip Hamilton role and whether the team, if they got Paul, would be better off trading Roy for someone at or near Roy's talent level who wouldn't have to change his game to play with Paul.

Of course, the other option is for Portland to play offense differently. Jordan and Pippen coexisted despite both being play-makers...but they were playing in the triangle. An ISO-heavy offense would indeed have wasted some of what either Jordan or (more likely) Pippen brought to the table. Would McMillan change his offense substantially? If not, would Portland find a new coach expeditiously?

I'd say those are definitely things one should consider, rather than saying it's insulting over-analysis.

 

After reading this thread all I have to say is I've heard it all. Jesus....

repped for being logical

 

-Beyond The Beat; November, 2008

[video=youtube;XJ8u9Ygn_gI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8u9Ygn_gI[/video]

Here's to hoping PA and Co. stay aggressive and land CP3! In this video CP3 set up Roy and made life easier for him on the court. The second half of this All-Star game it was the Roy/CP3 show.

 

I would trade almost anyone on our team to get Paul. But I would like to keep Roy and LMA because I think LMA would become an absolute BEAST with Paul (so would Oden, but Paul wouldn't keep Oden healthy).

I'd do a JPEC/Oden/Miller/Bayless/Batum/Rudy/future 1st and take back a contract or two to get Chris Paul. That instantly makes us #2 in the west and a title contender, IMO.

Paul
Roy
Babbitt (excellent shooter which would be greatly needed with Paul and Roy)
LMA
Camby

and then fill out the roster with some vets and hard working players/etc... BAD ASS TEAM! That would make all the heartache we've experienced lately completely worth it and then some.

 

I would have to disagree. ISO or not Roy does not make those around him "worse". Rewatch the last game in LA before Brandon got hurt. The Blazers were playing great basketball at the time. Yes Nate tends to go to the ISO late in games when the Blazers are up, and you can debate that all you want.

But a pick and roll offense is not an ISO offense. And that is what they run mostly. Like every other teams in the league. And Brandon makes his teammates better. Or at least that is what NBA guys actually say. Now t I know they are not the experts we are, but most tend to love his complete game.

Having said all that I want a Chris Paul type player to team up with him in the back court. It would make CP3 better too. He could take a few plays off every quarter. The guys gets worn down by the end of the season, just like BROY

 

If you don't think Roy and CP3 can play together go back and watch the film of them in the all star game together 2 years ago. They dominated that game, all star defense be damned, they actually played some, got out into the open court, and overall, I thought did great.

 

Unbelievable, I want Paul, but people using the all-star game as evidence that Roy/Paul would work well together is just ridiculous.

 

Just sarcastic? Or are you a troll? Tried to go back and find an intelligent comment,etc. But only find constent sarcasm!

What is it? Do you wear purple and piss to bed?

 

+1, hahahahaha.....please show me a game where NO ONE plays defense as a good measuring stick of how well paul/roy would play together. could it work, sure it could, but this isn't a guarenteed title like some on here think it would be. i'm all for getting cp3 and keeping roy, especially if we could find a new coach or at least find a new offense for our current coach.

 

We would be crushed by good defensive teams in the playoffs without a low post presence they would pack the lane. In two years when Camby is done our now weak defense would be utter garbage.

Trade Oden or Batum not both.

 

This^^^^^^.

 

Roy actually ran too!

 

No thanks. I don't think id want to see Roy being traded.

 

I never said Roy made others worse. I said his talents might not be fully leveraged next to Paul.

Bit of a strawman. It's not about Roy's numbers...it's about maximizing the talent you have. That's what leads to the best team.

If it's Paul and nothing or Paul and Roy, I agree. I'll take a 95% Paul and an 80% Roy over a 100% Paul and a 0% Roy. The question is, would Portland be better off trading Roy for a similar caliber talent who might be closer to 95-100% next to Paul.

Acquiring Paul and cutting Roy isn't what anyone was talking about.

 

No doubt, but my question is, will Roy be happy deferring that much in a non all-star setting?