Who thought MJ would never pull off what kobe did in game 7his is what I think happened and it is Jordanesque. I don't buy that sabotage thing. Bryant had 23 by halftime and was on the way to 50 and the Lakers were in trouble, down 15 and going nowhere. So knowing Phil Jackson, he told Bryant the first four games they went inside and distributed the scoring and got up 3-1, that was their only chance. Kobe has been buying in and did so early in the series. So he does in Game 7 and the plan doesn't work and they're down 30 and can't guard the mop kids. It's over, so Kobe packs it in. If he shoots crazy now they lose and he's blamed for being selfish. So he shuts it down. Jordan did something similar in the 1989 conference finals against the Pistons. The Bulls were losing and the Pistons were double and triple-teaming Jordan, so Doug Collins told Jordan to move the ball and not shoot so much. OK, you think those guys can win! Jordan took eight shots in 46 minutes. Michael Jordan could get eight shots off on anyone getting off the bus. The Bulls couldn't recover and Jordan just stopped shooting. It was Game 5 of a six-game series loss. But Kobe is a villain and lightning rod too so much of the blame goes to him. I don't think he was deserving of so much criticism.LinkI understand the different circumstances but the core issue is that MJ stopped shooting when everyone understood they couldn't recover.
Kobe is one of the most hated players in the league, if not the most. When something goes wrong they are quick to blame him... I don't know if anyone really gave Jordan the criticism they gabe Kobe, but Jordan is really hated by no one I know.
To all those people that make up this bullsh** just to cover up what Kobe did.I don't care what Phil Jackson asked Kobe to do. When the lead is increasing and you're slowly getting out of the game you gotta change something. Kobe had to be aggressive. It was Game 7 and nothing was working, he knew he had to score some points, he just jused the system to cover up what he did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To all those people that make up this bullsh** just to cover up what Kobe did.I don't care what Phil Jackson asked Kobe to do. When the lead is increasing and you're slowly getting out of the game you gotta change something. Kobe had to be aggressive. It was Game 7 and nothing was working, he knew he had to score some points, he just jused the system to cover up what he did.</div>So how do you explain MJ's dissappearing act also? I'm not trying to cover it up... but think Michael Jordan did the same thing. Come on, how do you argue against that? What Kobe did was wrong, we all know that, and it did the opposite of he wanted it to, but it's happened before and Kobe's gotten it way more bitter than MJ's gotten it.
There's a difference between going cold against the Phoenix Suns who suck at defense, in the first round of the playoffs than going cold against the Bad Boys who eventually won the championship in the Conference Finals because they were the best defensive team at the time. Plus Jordan was still young at that time.
Dont make an excuse because Phoenix sucks at D. The point is MJ took 8 shots in 46 minutes, and he still dissapeared as did Kobe. MJ is the GOAT, and he didnt step up for one game. If youre going to undermine Jordan's dissapearrance, they why can't you undermine Kobe;s? Please help me understand. And MJ was 1 year younger than Kobe, was thrid in MVP voting, one ahead of Kobe. what are you talking about?
Because there is a far greater difference from finding shots against the Suns and finding shots against the Bad Boys who eventually won the championship. They were doubling Jordan, the suns never doubled Kobe, and Jordan decided to pass the ball because he also couldnt get inside with Bill Lambier waiting for him.
Michael Jordan is the GOAT, you make it sound like he can't score against them. He can score on will. Jordan can't shoot more than 8 times to bring his team back?Jordan can't get inside? He's gotten inside many times with great defenders waiting for him. How is that game differrent?
I find it quite funny that you are dogging Jordan for going down 3-2 against the eventual champs. Well guess what bud. He still found a way to score 31 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists that game. I dont know if you think that is a poor performance, or what?
Wasnt it 4-2?I'm not dogging him, I'm just saying he couldve done better. Stats are nice and all, but that still led to a big loss.I didnt say he had a poor performance, it was that he stopped shooting when they were down. Kobe did the same thing, and youre dogging him for it. I think if youre going to hate on Kobe, at least take a look at other people did it and werent blamed for their loss.
Are we still on this, god it's been said like a million times. Kobe was shooting and they weren't winning, the only way they were gonna win is if Kwame and Lamar could step up, they tried that in the 3rd and it didn't work, by that time the Lakers were down by 30 and there was no need to try to shoot the team back into the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ELiiiTE @ May 22 2006, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wasnt it 4-2?I'm not dogging him, I'm just saying he couldve done better. Stats are nice and all, but that still led to a big loss.I didnt say he had a poor performance, it was that he stopped shooting when they were down. Kobe did the same thing, and youre dogging him for it. I think if youre going to hate on Kobe, at least take a look at other people did it and werent blamed for their loss.</div>Lets see if your man lover Kobe could lead that team over the 1989 bad boys. Not a chance. Jordan played well that whole series. It was all he could do. He almost got a 30+ point triple double and now your saying he could have done better??
I'm not really sure what this is about. Is it about Kobe not shooting enough in the second half? While I am the first person to talk about how much I love Kobe when he's passing, didn't he only take like 2 shots? Now that's just stubborn if you ask me!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lets see if your man lover Kobe could lead that team over the 1989 bad boys. Not a chance. Jordan played well that whole series. It was all he could do. He almost got a 30+ point triple double and now your saying he could have done better??</div>Wow, you keep avoiding the fact that Jordan stopped shooting when they started losing. I'm not saying he did a bad job, that Kobe could do better, or anything like that. IT's just when it meant most, he stopped shooting, and Kobe did the same thing.And he did too.
CB, do you lack reading comprehension? MJ stopped shooting when they started losing. 2 weeks before, numerous writers said MJ would never do such a thing. He did.And MJ wasn't young, he was like 26.Another double standard for king Jordan. People tried to hide itedit: You said if kobe saw his team losing, he should've started losing. Wouldn't that be another instance of him being uncoachable? And selfish? And trying to go after his own agenda?Either way, people like you always have an excuse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 22 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB, do you lack reading comprehension? MJ stopped shooting when they started losing. 2 weeks before, numerous writers said MJ would never do such a thing. He did.And MJ wasn't young, he was like 26.Another double standard for king Jordan. People tried to hide itedit: You said if kobe saw his team losing, he should've started losing. Wouldn't that be another instance of him being uncoachable? And selfish? And trying to go after his own agenda?Either way, people like you always have an excuse.</div>Every single time I posted here there was always an excuse-He's young-Detroit was too good-He scored over 30, that was enoughThe point is, when it counted, he stopped shooting. Kobe did the same thing. Case closed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because there is a far greater difference from finding shots against the Suns and finding shots against the Bad Boys who eventually won the championship. They were doubling Jordan, the suns never doubled Kobe, and Jordan decided to pass the ball because he also couldnt get inside with Bill Lambier waiting for him.</div>Man, you're mad funny. You're just so biased against Kobe, and keep talkin, and talkin and talkin and talkin.............
He's a lebron jockrider and hates Kobe What do you expect?Plus he goes for the raptors, kobe shamed them in january.
