I guess I thought it had been made pretty clear that Rudy has no intentions of coming back to Portland? And I'm not really sure how much use a petulant, sulking Rudy, rotting on the bench is going to be to this team.
Forget the PER. Everyone always says we need to consolidate and have players on the bench that will be happy to be role players. I think this kid fills a hole that we currently have. A guy off the bench that can come in and play some D if Roy gets into foul trouble. Jazz fans love the guy. When I watched him play I could see why. He plays hard every time down court.
I'm not sure, either. But he'll be worth more than nothing. Why would we hope to just give him away? Ed O.
It is not giving him away if it keeps the Jazz from keeping Matthews. I like Matthews game from what I watched of him last year. I for sure like Matthews game better then Rudy's game last year.
WTF? Are we trying to recreate the Trent Hassell mistake? On that one we were saved by Minnesota. I'm not sure if Utah will be that stupid.
I don't really feel like giving him away, but I do worry a little bit about him becoming a locker room cancer. You're right though, you might as well hold onto him for the summer and look to move him in a larger package deal with other assets. ps. I freely admit that my distaste for Rudy clouds my objectivity. Can't help it
What do you see as being similar between Matthews and Hassell? Trenton was coming off of a year where he shot 30% from three when the Blazers made him an offer (Jesus, what was Nash thinking?!) I'm not 100% sold on Matthews either, but if Chad Buchanan and Mike Born like him I guess I'm willing to give their track record the benefit of the doubt.
I think he is a solid player. Isn't he restricted though? So Jazz can just match the offer after losing Boozer and Korver.
A consolidation trade means consolidating a few okay/good players into one really good one. Not acquiring questionable role-players. It's great that he plays hard, but ultimately the results are what matter. Yeah, that doesn't answer my question. Even with those percentages, he wasn't a good player. You can find guys who can shoot the ball on every YMCA court in the country. What's valuable are guys who can shoot the ball AND be good NBA players.
Good luck with that. But if that is the goal then signing Matthew should only help. Because on this team the OK/good players you can trade are Rudy, Pryz, Bayless, and Batum. So adding someone like Matthews will help if that happens. Remember we are talking MLE here. Who out there would you rather have that would either take the MLE (or less). I can think of a few guys who are as good, that you can get for less (Which is certainly an option) but I can't think of anyone who is better. And I certainly can't think of a PF. Maybe someone like Ridnour, but damn we have a lot of PG's
Are you saying trades like that never happen? That's clearly wrong. Whether Portland will pull one off, I have no idea. I didn't hang a probability on it. I just don't understand why you'd invoke "consolidation" with acquiring Matthews. Perhaps no one at this point. That's not an argument to flagrantly overpay a guy who's not that good. Unless Allen really is willing to spend any amount of money (which I doubt), wasting money just to spend it is going to hurt the team later.
His production isn't very good. While his scoring efficiency is good in a low number of shots, he can't pass or rebound. The result is a player who is likely to score when he shoots, but A. isn't likely to shoot because he only takes the wide open opportunities (which aren't that valuable since many players can use up the easiest scoring opportunities) and B. isn't likely to impact the offense any other way. His defense is a lot harder to quantify, but his defense would have to be great to overcome his lack of production.
I just thought adding another asset (and yes I think he would be an asset to this team) would help in the long run in the consolidation process. The more good players you have the easier it is to trade for a better player.
Lack of production? He basically had the same averages as Batum in the same amount of minutes. That sounds exactly like Batum.
He sounds like the perfect guy to stand in the corner and wait for Brandon to pass it to him off ISO's
Batum is even more efficient a scorer and is a superior rebounder (after accounting for pace and how many rebounds were actually available). He's also viewed as a superlative defender, while Matthews is only considered to potentially be a good defender. Agreed. Batum has also only been taking the easiest opportunities by and large. He's just been converting them at a better clip and, as I noted, rebounds better and is generally considered to be a significantly better defender. In addition (this is more about total value as a player, rather then purely how good they each are at the moment) Batum is younger, so has more upside.
