This once again brings me to the point I made earlier about his hypocrisy in saying that Christianity, Judaism, etc. are all peaceful religions despite acknowledging that there have been instances throughout history where an individual, or a group of individuals, twisted the words of their holy books in order to justify their evil actions. Now, if the author views these other religions as ?peaceful? despite all that, why does he not view Islam as a whole peaceful even though it is only a small percentage of Muslims who follow bin Laden?s teachings? Bin Laden DOES NOT speak for every Muslim in the world, nor does he speak the truth when he says that Allah intended whatever bin Laden is doing. So, according to the author, ALL Muslims are ?evil,? and Islam is ?evil? because bin Laden is waging a ?jihad?? Not every Muslim is out there committing acts of terrorism, now are they? This author is a complete hypocrite. This whole paragraph falls under the point I made earlier of how the author is misunderstanding, and thus promoting the wrong idea, of what the Quran means by Islam ?overcoming? all the other religions. If he would have actually read the Quran in its entirety, he would realize that. OK, so the author just disproved his entire argument by writing that. If he concedes that the Hanbali are behind the terrorist powers, why is he saying that all Muslims are evil, and that the entire religion of Islam is evil when only ONE of the FOUR ?perspectives? of Islam promote the violence and terrorist actions?Now, let?s put this author?s bias in perspective. The fact is that there are four schools of Islamic law (thought): Hanafi, Maliki, Shafii, and Hanbali. Now, according to the author of the article, the Hanbali school of Islamic law (thought) is the one responsible for the terrorist attacks throughout the world, correct? So? what percentage of the world?s Muslim population falls into the Hanbali school of thought? LESS THAN 5% Hanafi has 45%, and Maliki and Shafii both have about 25%... so he is concluding that the religion of Islam as a whole and all Muslims are evil because of that 5%? Wow? I bet there are 5% of Christians who want to declare a holy war? so does that mean Christians in general are ?evil?? All this author mentions is war, war, war, and more war. What he fails to mention is what I pointed out earlier? there are more types of Jihad than just all out military warfare, and the Quran teaches that warfare is to only be used if another religion declares a holy war on our prophet and his teachings? and if all the other types of peaceful Jihad fail in stopping them.Now, what he says about a territory being perpetually Islamic can pretty much apply to any country today. If the US is attacked, and we lose half of our country, do you think Americans will say ?alright, we lost, let?s just give up that territory and say that country now controls that piece of land?.? Hell no? they will still believe that they are the rightful owners of the property, and will try to reclaim it, will they not? This really made me laugh? why? Because the author really failed to give the entire story of the Treaty of Hudaybiya, that?s why. You want to know why Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marched on Kuraish with 10,000 soldiers? Because the Makkans (Kuraish) were the ones who broke the terms of the peace treaty? not the Muslims. One of the Makkans? allied tribes, known as the Banu Bakr, attacked the Banu Khada?s, who were in alliance with the Prophet (pbuh). So? who really broke the treaty? I wonder why the author failed to mention that minor detail. Also, when he says that ?in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years,? he fails to mention that it was the Makkans who made the stipulation of peace between the two parties for that ten year period? yet within two years their allied tribes broke the treaty. If you want to read into the whole thing more, just go to the following website: http://www.islamanswers.net/moreAbout/Hudaybiya.htm I?m not entirely sure what the hell the author is trying to state with this section? but unfortunately the author of the article once again would have benefited and gained some credibility if he actually showed any sign of reading the Quran. As I?ve explained earlier, violence is only used as the very final option when another religion or party declares war on our religion. The same thing happened at Hudaybiya? Muslims were going to attack, but the Prophet (pbuh) told them not to, and the treaty was worked out. Even if it were true that the Prophet (pbuh) accepted cease-fire because he was ?humiliated? and the opposition was stronger, does the author take that as a sign of weakness? Does he feel that our Prophet (pbuh) should have kept ordered battle? So is the author advocating Muslims to fight? He has a problem that our religion is ?evil,? yet even when Muslims don?t fight he has a problem with it? Wow? I guess this guy really doesn?t have his own personal agenda nor is he really biased, right? :HAHAHA: Way to make a GIGANTIC generalization there buddy! Wherever there are Muslims, there will be war? Wow? so, I guess Muslims living in the US are currently waging war on the Christians in the US, and the same thing occurring in every other country in the world? Wow? this guy is a complete idiot. Not only does he make a huge assumption, but he contradicted what he said earlier in his ?factual article? about the Hanbali being the only terrorists and extremist in Islam? and let me remind you that LESS THAN 5% of the world?s Muslim follow that school of thought. So, that 5% now determines how all Muslims are perceived? Yeah, right? so I guess there isn?t 5% of Christians, Jews, or any other religion in the world who commit mass murders, and terrorist actions? Once again, I have explained the real meaning behind the idea that the author speaks of? the meaning that us Muslims are taught? the Quran does not say that Islam will rule based on force, rather, it will rule based on having the largest number of followers. Once again, the author fails to explain the meaning behind the idea in the Quran. The Christians that will supposedly be sent to hell will not be sent to hell simply because they are Christian? they will be sent to hell because they deny the existence of Islam, nor will they practice it. Allah sent down Islam as the final religion, and he will punish those who will not accept it when the world ends. He will give them their chance to accept the religion, probably more than one chance, yet if they degrade the religion, they will be sent to hell because of that? not simply because they are Christian. It is a hard concept to explain in words? or at least I can?t figure out the proper way to say it. Same as the above explanation? it is hard to explain. Yet, if the author actually read the Quran, he would realize that what he is saying is completely false. Read it yourself if you are interested, and you will see that his ?facts? are wrong as well.Also, the fact that he said he is ?quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school? was quite hilarious to me? especially since I conducted searches for that verse (which he supposedly quoted directly from the Quran) on a variety of online sites that allow you to search verses from the Quran? and guess what? Out of 10 sites that I searched (using various keywords and possibilities of what the quote is, and of course the quote itself? a total of about 100 searches) I got absolutely ZERO results. Hm? Obviously, I don?t have the entire English translation of the Quran memorized by heart, but please, if you can find the verse where the author supposedly gets that quote from, by all means I would be glad to re-read it. Alright, so we FINALLY find out where the author is from? and guess where he is from? ISRAEL? wow, I guess he really isn?t biased, right? Now, to comment on the first bolded idea in the quote above, consider this: Would Israeli?s really accept that they were being ruled over by Muslims? No, they most certainly wouldn?t? so then why does he have a problem if the Muslims feel the same way? Is he trying to say that Israeli?s are superior to Muslims? If so? he is basically exhibiting the same feelings that the Muslims over there feel, yet because his countrymen are ruling, it is alright for him to feel that way and not for the Muslims to feel that way? So, if the Muslims over there were to reclaim that territory by force, would he and his countrymen say ?ah, you know what, they won it fair and square? let them keep it and rule over us.? No? they wouldn?t. Once again, he shows how hypocritical he is. It is human nature to feel that way.Now, in the final paragraph, he calls for America and Europe to aid Israel, and for Christians to aid the Jews in an attempt to ?defend? themselves and rid the Muslims. Is he not advocating a holy war in that sense? Again? Islam is ?evil? because less than 5% of the world?s Muslim are twisting the religion to justify their false sense of ?Jihad,? and the entire Islamic religion is being viewed as evil. However, the author himself is advocating a holy war, yet that is alright? :HAHAHA: Wow? I?m sorry, but this author and the article is a complete joke. You can find articles like these all over the place, for both sides, yet you yourself have to be willing to take the initiative and seek the truth. You want the truth? Read the Quran. This article is a great example of propaganda.Anyway, I don?t really expect to change people?s views about our religion with this post, but the fact of the matter is that I felt compelled to respond to this outrageous article that insulted me and my religion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 22 2006, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll give you all the answers.All the crap you've heard, is bullsh**.It's not Islam you idiot use your brain. It's just the way those particular people feel.That crap about the muslims celebrating after 9/11, is bullsh**. I saw that tape. that was from a while before 9/11.9/11 wasn't done because of Islam, it was done for revenge. In the Vietnam War the Afghanis helped out the Americans and then America never payed them back.Look at Timothy Mcvay, etc. American media makes muslims look so bad. if you're really so interested, just read an english version of the quran.and you dont get killed if convert religons. wouldnt you be a bit mad, just a lil bit if you were jewish and someone converted to islam? not mad, but upset? i would. i would be wondering why</div>Well, then I guess in Afghanistian they think a little differently, that is where the Islam people want to have him killed, he was in custody for it. The US got involved to help get him out of it, he some how got sent to Italy and got out of it.As for just looking it up, I didn't feel like it, I said that. I just thought it would be easier to ask, I didn't know you would blow up about it. About Timothy Mcvay, every country has some weird people, but, only terrorists are the guys that go into other countries and blow them up. Now, I am not judging anyone or anything, I am just saying.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 23 2006, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div> The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BeastInIt @ May 23 2006, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................</div> Oh please...Islam is a pile of crap just like Christianity.
"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 23 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.</div>What about the videos of them burning our flag?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 23 2006, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.</div> maybe so, but that doesn't change the fact that there are alot of anti-US demonstrations in Muslim countires.
Honestly, there will ALWAYS be a few people who will do sh*t like that... same thing here in America. I guarantee you there are people here that still are KKK members, that burn flags of other countries, acts of racism and racial violence, but you don't hear about it as much as you do about the stuff happening in the Middle East. Why? The media... the media truly control this country. They can make you think ANYTHING they want you to think.Like I said in my post, less than 5% of the world's Muslims follow the Hanbali school of thought (which is what the terrorist use to justify their false sense of "jihad"), yet the entire religion is being labeled as evil because of that 5%? Hm... tell me that there isn't 5% of Christians around the world doing the same thing... or 5% of any religion who has the same thoughts. It is happening... but the media only focuses on the Islam thing because it is propaganda to help try and get American people to support the war.Honestly, if you guys are really interested in this stuff, then I recommend you take the time to atleast read some of the Quran. I know it's long, but just read it and you'll see how ridiculous the media portrayals are... but hey, nobody wants to make the effort when the media will just spoon-feed them the "facts," right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 23 2006, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, there will ALWAYS be a few people who will do sh*t like that... same thing here in America. I guarantee you there are people here that still are KKK members, that burn flags of other countries, acts of racism and racial violence, but you don't hear about it as much as you do about the stuff happening in the Middle East. Why? The media... the media truly control this country. They can make you think ANYTHING they want you to think.Like I said in my post, less than 5% of the world's Muslims follow the Hanbali school of thought (which is what the terrorist use to justify their false sense of "jihad"), yet the entire religion is being labeled as evil because of that 5%? Hm... tell me that there isn't 5% of Christians around the world doing the same thing... or 5% of any religion who has the same thoughts. It is happening... but the media only focuses on the Islam thing because it is propaganda to help try and get American people to support the war.Honestly, if you guys are really interested in this stuff, then I recommend you take the time to atleast read some of the Quran. I know it's long, but just read it and you'll see how ridiculous the media portrayals are... but hey, nobody wants to make the effort when the media will just spoon-feed them the "facts," right? </div>Great post, completely agree, couldn't have said it any better.
Look I just want to say Im sorry for what i said, It just pisses me off when people talk about Islam being "Evil" Americans right way judge the religon of Islam but dont judge the person, judge the person not the religon of Islam like you guys are doing now judging Osama casue he is Muslim and he is doing all the nasty crap but you dont judge him you say he is doing that casue he is Muslim thats wrong. Judge Osama not Islam..
I would like to know who is Muslim in this topic. Also, as a Muslim, I believe I the only thing I need to say is that Islam is a religion of righteousness and killing innocent people is wrong as it is in other religions. You can think of Islam as the first 3 religions spread in ancient times so killing innocent people as a wrong thing is not unbelievable but easily believable. As for these "terrorists", they are stupid bastards who call themselves Muslims to act as disgraces. As a Muslim, you can belive what I am saying about righteousness and that these terrorists are POSERS! That would explain this stupid stereotype around the world that "MUSLIMS R TERRORISTS". It pisses me off so badly that people who believe whatever the here call all Muslims terrorists. Makes me wanna scream. I think this is a good bottomline.
first 3 religions-wronghinduism, roman pagan religion, and egyptian gods are 3 before (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace_o_spades @ May 23 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Islam isn't any more evil than any other religion not named Christianity</div>The Bible has just as many "evil" verses as the Quran has. Every religion has blood on its hand... that is a fact. Islam and Christianity are so similar (the original Bible before it was "tampered" with)... it says it in the Quran.Anyway, in the past people on this board have quoted passages from the Quran that talk about hurting the "disbelievers," but what they fail to mention is who these "disbelievers" are. In the Quran, it is well documented that the disbelievers are those people who reject Islam, and try to oppress the religion. Allah gives every human being many chances to accept Islam and the right path, yet those who repeatedly choose to stray from the right path, reject the religion, and try to oppress it are the disbelievers. There are even disbelievers among Muslims. It is all explained in the Quran...Allah is very forgiving, and in the Quran it says that he gives any and every human being multiple chances in their life to believe. If a person sincerely repents his sins before his death, Allah forgives them and allows them to enter paradise. When they die, he asks them a series of questions, giving them another chance... I've re-read the English translations of the first two "chapters" in the Quran, and it is all explained clearly in there. They are lengthy (276 verses for the first, and about 200 for the second), but well worth the read. I can also provide you with a multitude of links that show just how similar Islam and Christianity are, why the Quran was sent down, why the Quran says that the Bible is not exactly what God had sent down, rather it was later altered by human hands, why believing that Islam is evil and Islam is terrorism is completely ludicrous, and so much more.Its funny though that the people I speak of have not posted about this after I made those huge posts showing how idiotic that article truly was.By the way Sham, I am Muslim.
It's funny, Christians hate Islam, and dont mind Hinduism or greek mythology when Islam is the closest to Christianity. lmao
We all know that America knew 9/11 coming, so obviously THEY planned it, not bin Laden.By the way, the Bible SAYS Prophet Muhammad will come, so christians are actually REQUIRED to convert to Islam.
Actually, ReppinTheD, some of the crap he's sayin is kinda true. i've heard some of the stuff hes talking about
