<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 25 2006, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol wth waqas - isnt that pj's sig? I made it for him.</div>It's supposed to diss mavsfan, somebody told me to wear it, so what do I do, lolz. I edited it. No more Dirk records .Yeah, I'll be the Gunner for it.
Where in the world did you hear that ridiculous theory? Hey, France and Britain knew that World War 2 was coming, so, obviously, they must have planned it. Hey, I never knew that Hitler was actually British! Thanks for revealing all this to me! Ooooohhhhh! Aaaahhhh! Woooowww. I'm so excited!!!!You know how utterly impossible it is to prove what you're saying. People can predict the future with out your so-called relevations.And BigMo- You do know that Christ was prophesied to conqer the world in his second coming. OK then, if the same number of Christians are having these thoughts as Muslims, then it logically follows that there must be the same number of Christians doing suicide bombings as Muslims. But, silly me, I seem to have forgotten the last time a Christian has done that. Maybe you could refresh my memory?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ May 26 2006, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where in the world did you hear that ridiculous theory?</div>What "ridiculous" theory? The "theory" that Islam and Christianity are similar? If that is what you are referring to, you need to do your research.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And BigMo- You do know that Christ was prophesied to conqer the world in his second coming.</div>Yes, and where in this entire thread did I say he wasn't? Also, if Christ is prophesized to "conquer the world," why is Christianity not viewed as "evil" because of that, whereas Islam is viewed as "evil" because people seem to think Allah wants Muslims to conquer the world (which by the way is untrue)?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>OK then, if the same number of Christians are having these thoughts as Muslims, then it logically follows that there must be the same number of Christians doing suicide bombings as Muslims. But, silly me, I seem to have forgotten the last time a Christian has done that. Maybe you could refresh my memory?</div>Silly, silly boy! I guess you totally missed the part of my post where I covered the media bias, right? Do you honestly expect the American media to give an unbiased account of all terrorist attacks throughout the world? No... they will be showing more terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists in an effort to advocate the war in Iraq. Also, in case you lived in some sort of fantasy world, there are people of all religions, but mainly Christians (due to the fact that the US is a predominantly Christian country), that commit murders and crimes every single day in this country itself. There are always acts of terrorism going out throughout the world by people that follow all religions, that is a fact. The reason the US media only reports the terrorist acts of Islamic extremists is because they are in a fight against these extremists. You can rest assured that if Jews or Hindus were the ones behind 9/11, you would be hearing more about terrorist acts committed by followers of those two religions.If you honestly believe that there aren't Christians in this world that are committing heinous acts, you are completely ignorant. I'm not saying Christianity is an evil religion because of that, or because of the blood that they have shed throughout history... but unfortunately most people in the US hold a double standard in the sense that although Islamic extremists have committed the same acts, Islam is viewed as evil because of that, whereas Christianity is not.Obviously, Christians are not going to view their religion as evil, and neither are Muslims. Muslims don't view Christians or Christianity as being evil. We are taught to respect all religions, because all religions share the same fundamental message, yet most people do not give Islam the same respect.Also, since we live in a predominantly Christian country (USA), do you think the government or the media is going to start some "anti-Christianity" or "Christianity is evil" propoganda? No... it all depends on where you live, and what situation the country is in at the time. Since the US is in a "war on terror" in the middle east, it is only natural that the media will be covering more acts of terrorism committed by the Islamic extremists.If you can't understand that simple fact, then there really isn't much to say to you. Bias is a part of life, and everybody has it one way or another. To sit there and say that the American media, or the media in any country, is 100% unbiased is completely ludicrous and idiotic. If you don't think there are 5% of Christians throughout the world who are committing murders or terrorist attacks... well, then you really need to get out of that bubble you live in.All I'm saying is that there are ALWAYS those "bad apples" in every aspect of life, and that holds true for every religion and every walk of life. There are always those bad kids in your classes, those bad co-workers, etc. However, there is a double-standard in the sense that Christianity is not viewed as "evil" because of their "bad apples," but Islam is viewed as evil because of their "bad apples." Obviously, the American media has something to do with that. Maybe now some of you will understand why other countries throughout the world are anti-American.
I'm pointing out right now not to mention Timothy McVeigh as a example of a religious bomber...he bombed the building because of goverment getting out of control not anything to do with religion.
I must admit i havent taken the time to read the ENTIRE thread. But i must say a few things.1. No religion is ever EVIL, it is all based on enterpritation. For instance please click on the following link as it shows the equivalent of a Muslim extremist in a Cristian church http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html.2. We musent belive that the Islamic Religion is based upon killing the " infedels". In fact one of thier commandments " if we can call them that" is to respect other peoples religion. This is exebited my the Ocupation of Spain in the Middle Ages by Moors, where Jewish and Cristian Churches were allowed to continue giving masses with no problem at all.3. The problem i belive liesin the fact of the current condition of most Islamic countries. Most are in economical decline and extreme poverty ( Afganistan anyone? ), it is the same in my Mother Country where in the 50's the rich were getting richer and the poor poorer so a man called Fidel Castro came along and swept that all away just to be replaced with everyone being poor. They belive that the only way the can get out of thier situation they need to elect radical leaders , and those leaders are so far away from the truth and base of islam that they could not be called Moslems.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. No religion is ever EVIL, it is all based on enterpritation. For instance please click on the following link as it shows the equivalent of a Muslim extremist in a Cristian church http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html.</div> That a small family doing that...not a 'real' church.
Yes im afraid you are correct, but the poit i was trying to make was how a * peacefull and coexisting * religions like Cristianity could be bent to be viewd in a form that would benefit some, or make those believe they are helping society
Oh, and Yozo... you wanted me to tell you when the last time there were acts of terrorism committed by Christians, right? It happens all the time in the US.Have you ever heard of somebody murdering a doctor who provides people with abortion? That is an act of terrorism committed by Christians, because the murder is committed in order to uphold the goals and teachings of Christianity (in the eyes of the murderer).You want some more examples?<ul>[*]James Charles Kopp's shooting of abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian.[*]Tactics of strategic rape and abudction and conscription of children by the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.[*]The violent Christian Identiry movement.[/list]Christian groups with terrorist cells:<ul>[*]Christian Identity movement[*]Freedomites (also Svobokniki or Sons of Freedom, Canada, 1902-present)[*]Ku Klux Klan (A racist Protestant Christian organization founded during the Reconstruction period in the former Confederate States of America)[/list]Christian nationalist groups with terrorist cells<ul>[*]Lord's Resistance Army (1987-present) (Uganda)[*]Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) (Nagaland) including The National Liberation Front of Tripura[*]God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Burma)[/list]See, acts of terrorism by Christians are out there as well, does that make Christianity evil? No it doesn't... yet although their are also Islamic terrorists, Islam is being viewed as evil? Now you may be able to have a clearer understanding of why there are countries throughout the world that are anti-American.Mainstream Christians of course consider these terroristic acts by Chrsitians to be violations of the ethics of Christianity... which is the same situation with the Islamic terrorists. Us Muslims keep claiming that the terrorists are violating our religion, but hey, we are all still viewed as evil, right?
No religion teaches hate, so not any religion is evil, not Islam, just the extremists that bomb public towns and places.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 22 2006, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div>ok reppintheD is right and so are the other muslims but you gotta say it in a calm manner. to answer your questions.1. if you change religions from Islam to another its really bad in Islam religion but you dont get killed..that is nonesense.2. the reasons muslims hate americans is becasue they kill and kill muslims everyday and its not that big of a deal. but when one american dies its a really big deal. they should both be big deals.3. this is nonsense. in islam if you arent muslim other muslims are suppose to teach them the teachings of islam not kill them. but if they dont die muslim, Allah(God) will punnish them in the after-life.4. These people who are terrorist that are muslims dont really follow the teachings of islam.
Muslims are killing eachother all the time. Most of the major conflicts around the world are in muslim countries. We are not killing muslims because we are racist or hate islam. Saddam = Homicidal maniac & threat to the world (Saddam did not even follow islam) Afghanistan = Was a terror hotbed Sorry, we have our reasons.
Saddam didnt follow Islam? l0l wasnt he a Sunni and that's why theyre fighting in Iraq?and naw it isnt evil....there's plenty of people that are terrorists in America but they're labeled "Serial-Killers" when in reality they themselves are terrorists..Columbine = terrorismSaddam killing people and throwing them off the roof = terrorismSeptember 11 = terrorismi dont know why the stereotype is against the Islam religion..i'm athiest so i think all religion is BS and is just used to control people and find another reason to seperate people
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BeastInIt @ May 22 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Saddam didnt follow Islam? l0l wasnt he a Sunni and that's why theyre fighting in Iraq?and naw it isnt evil....there's plenty of people that are terrorists in America but they're labeled "Serial-Killers" when in reality they themselves are terrorists..Columbine = terrorismSaddam killing people and throwing them off the roof = terrorismSeptember 11 = terrorismi dont know why the stereotype is against the Islam religion..i'm athiest so i think all religion is BS and is just used to control people and find another reason to seperate people</div> Saddam Hussien did not practise Islam at all, he killed Shiite people because they oppressed the Sunni's and him throughout his life. Columbine was not terrorism and seriel killers are not terrorists.
why?Terrorism is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."I would say columbine is an ideological objectivethey just dont say that because they want you and I to hate muslims and see them as terroristsand they want you think columbine isnt as serious as a bombing of a building when it's just as bad
The kids at Columbine didn't do what they did for any polical/social change. They didn't stand for anything. They were just sad and twisted lunatics. Serial killers have no social/political agenda...they are just sick/sociopathic lunatics.
Those kids at Columbine did what they did because their coaches called them pussies and things of that nature, not for political reasons. They didn't have an agenda or a point. They just felt like making a big deal because someone hurt their feelings. Therefore, it isn't terrorism.Edit: BCB just said that, but I didn't read it that hard.
I don't view Hussein has a muslim. He didn't follow Islam's prosperous and peaceful teachings. You know, Al-Quada and those other terrorist groups... None of them, really follow Islam.
