Canzano Is Probably Right - Trade The Expirings......Now

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2010/07/canzano_trail_blazers_next_tar.html

 

Canzano fails to realize there are many more valuable trade assets to gather stars out there. As Wizenheimer on realgm has pointed out, there are multiple teams with huge Traded Player Exceptions out there right now from recent sign and trades, as well as teams left with cap space - that is instant relief; whereas Joel and Andre are next summer relief.

 

Yeah, but if the player the Blazers really wants is available for Joel/Andre and (..), then why not go for it? Make the other team feel as if we're not simply waiting (with the AMEC/JPEC) for them. I'm all for that bird in the hand stuff.

 

Because it is likely for that combination to be traded they'd be going after a star. If they are going after a star, it is likely other teams would want to go after that newly available star as well. Teams with big TPEs, armed with picks and talent to add to the trade. If you are the team trading the star, you are most likely doing it for monetary relief as well as accumulating young talent - which offer are you going to take? The expiring contracts with young talent that gets you monetary relief next summer, or the TPE which grants you instant monetary relief as well as the young talent?

I'm not saying I don't want the Blazers to after a star, but I'm saying Canzano is trying to stir up the pot by saying this trade needs to be done now and by the time camp starts while failing to mention that many other teams have much more valuable and lucrative offers they can put out at the moment. The prime time to trade AM/JP will be at the trade deadline when more of those teams have used up their TPEs, and as teams who thought they were going to contend start falling off.

 

"Trade Przybilla and Miller for a star." There, in eight words, I condensed the entire article.

Good thing we've got Canzano. Next I'm guessing he'll tell Obama, "Create some jobs" and biologists, "Cure cancer." What a relief it is to have John Canzano with such daring vision and insight into the human condition.

 

OTOH, New Orleans "almost" traded Paul for what the Blazers could offer them now (Miller, Bayless, and Batum(?) and later (AMEC/JPEC). In some cases, I think fans might expect at least a little value other than names simply dropping off the books.

 

You seem to think (like Canzano) that all we have to is snap our fingers and we have all these teams begging to trade with us. It just doesn't work that way. I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but we're one of a number of teams trying to move expiring contracts. And most of them on other teams have more true value than ours.

 

Maybe the Blazers should hire this Canzano guy to run the team, clearly he knows a ton about the cap and trades and basketball in general. As a bonus he'll be our moral compass too.

 

I'm simply saying that, if the Blazers have a deal they want to do "now", why wait? In other words, don't arbitrarily wait until next years TD, simply due to a perceived higher trading value(s).

BTW, I'm not aware of the "number of teams trying to move expiring contracts". Care to share those specifics with me?

 

Thanks captain obvious.

 

Same thing Canzano is saying. Title of this thread. Yada, yada, yada............

 

But they didn't. The teams with the TPEs or capspace would also add value in the form of young talent, like I mentioned, and picks while providing instant relief. An example would be Cleveland trading their TPE and a pick to New Orleans while New Jersey trades Cleveland Devin Harris, trades New Orleans Derrick Favors, Courtney Lee, several picks, and New Orleans trades New Jersey Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor. I am under the assumption that New Jersey still has enough cap space remaining to make this word, especially since they'd get rid of Devin Harris' salary in the process.

New Orleans gets instant cap relief as well as several picks and two young talents. This would be a better offer than expiring contracts that New Orleans would have to pay this season, Bayless and Batum.

 

Why so hard on Canzano? I've certainly not heard anyone else discuss the idea he proposed, and I think it's worth considering. Emotion and "loyalty" might dictate that we keep both Miller and Przybilla, but logic might dictate something else.

 

I'd wager most of the fans have been discussing trading Miller and Przybilla since they're both expirings. We talk about it a lot on RealGM, and it was in most of the ideas thrown around for Paul.

 

"So what do they have right now aside from a flimsy plan? Hire a GM. Trade Miller/Przybilla for a star player who can join Roy and Aldridge. Start the season."

You really have not heard anyone suggest trading Miller and Pryz for Paul? They have to be included to match salaries.

It's just his way of taking a shot at the KP dismissal. How the FUCK does this moron know if they have a flimsy plan? He has no clue. He never has a clue.

 

Yep. Seems to me Przybilla and Miller are easily the most likely assets we've been dangling out there. The thing is, we have to get a point guard back in any such deal. A point guard who is better than Andre Miller, or we might as well just keep Andre. There are probably a dozen or so better or equivalent PG's in the league, but other than Paul I don't know of any who have really been mentioned as possible trade candidates.
Devin Harris-- they don't want Miller
Deron Williams -- no way he gets traded
Nash -- they seem to be putting pieces in place around Nash, not looking to move him
Kidd
Westbrook
Baron Davis
Rose

I look down the list of qualified candidates and I see nope, nope, nope, nope. Then you start getting into mediocre PG's around Andre's level, and at that point you are no longer "trading for a star" as Canzano says, but just making lateral moves. Which I guess is ok if the lateral move is a PG who can hit perimeter shots better (and is a worse passer than Andre, hence they are as mediocre). But that's not the kind of guy Canzano says we should go for.

I suggest we go back to New Orleans and ask them for Paul again, only this time say "Pretty please." May not be a brilliantly detailed strategy, but then neither was Canzano's.

 

No mention of Parker??

 

I forgot about him. But really, I'm not that excited to give up Batum for him, and I don't think the Spurs would go for just Miller/Przybilla/future draft pick or Bayless. Certainly I'd give up Aldridge for him, but again, that's not what Canzano is saying. He's saying we should get a star for Miller/Przybilla. I don't see how to do that for Tony Parker.

 

You're right. I haven't been keeping up with all the trade scenarios on this board. I suppose I'm out of the loop in that sense.