Canzano Is Probably Right - Trade The Expirings......Now

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  1. STOMP

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    what makes you think the player the Blazers really want is available for Joel/Andre? Canzano's fresh out the butt speculations?

    They just extended a large offer to someone that I doubt they equate to a difference maker like CPaul, why in the world would you think they'd lack the conviction to move on something that would truly help the club? Just my guess that deals that provide financial relief for the 2011-12 season hold more value after the 2010-11 season ticket plans have been sold and some teams are out of the playoff picture... patience grasshopper

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  2. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Perhaps, because they want to be sure the new GM's stamp is on any trade move?
     
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    No way. I just don't see any way that makes sense. Everything that has happened over the last months suggests that they would go out of their way to make a deal without a GM if it was beneficial to the team. They would love to prove that it was not all kP. It was a team effort and the team is still in tack. They could care less what the new GM thinks. Any new GM will not know the team as well as the current staff.
     
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    If nothing can be done to dramatically improve by the trade deadline just ride out Miller for the playoff run, excercise our option for his final year. Possibly re up unless a seperate trade can be worked out, Pryz for a two year, 2nd year team option, and try again the following year when Pryz, Camby and Miller would be all expiring around 25-30 mill.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    whoever that person is to be, their voice doesn't warrant consideration before they take the job. Once they do, they get to work with and around all the decisions made before they assumed that role for the Blazers. Besides, GM is just a title. Anyone given the authority to make personnel decisions for the franchise is the acting GM. I'm sure there are several Blazer management types who'd welcome an increased say in those decisions but as usual their choices will be by committee with coaches ownership scouts and upper management having input.

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    What Canzano fails to understand (or omits) is that that's what happens almost every time. It's not like Portland has been particularly inept with expiring contracts. It's that expiring contracts have been overvalued by fans and media since the inception of the salary cap. Fans and media seem to think that expiring contracts carry a massive value and can be used fairly easily to grab valuable, expensive players. It happens sometimes, but rarely. Teams are generally unwilling to give up valuable players simply for salary relief or cap space that might be able to be used to...get a valuable player.

    So, yes, I agree that Portland should trade their expiring contracts for an impact player. Here's my advice: Portland should win lots of championships.

    NBA front office job, please.
     
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    As usual, Canzano is wrong.
     
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    He's only wrong when he opens his mouth...

    ...anyway, yeah, expiring contracts definitely seem to be hugely overvalued by everyone except the people doing the actual dealing.
     
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    Really? I see other teams turn expiring contracts into valuable players all the time. So explain to me how I am overvaluing expiring contracts when I see other teams make deals for expiring contracts and get good quality players in return, and their expiring contracts are not as valuable as the one's that we have. An expiring contract is exactly that. Nobody is picking it up for the talent behind the contract. They are taking it to shed cap weight. So how is it other teams are picking up talented players for theirs, while Portland sits on their hands and does nothing with theirs?
     
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    All the time, really? Can you come up with 10 significant ones over the past decade, despite hundreds of player contracts expiring over that time?

    You don't see it very much. You see it rarely and those stick in your head and you assume it's happening constantly. The same year Portland had the RLEC, Cleveland had Wally Sczerbiak's expiring contract which was approximately the same size. And they were extremely motivated to make a deal, to put players around James. They didn't get anything for Sczerbiak either. The expiring-contract-for-valuable-player deal is quite rare.
     
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    This did happen a lot last year because teams were trying to get in on the rigged game that was the 2010 free agent bonanza.

    I don't think next summer will be quite the same type of deal, so I don't think teams feel as strongly about getting under the cap next season.

    Since both the salary cap and the tax limit went up, instead of down as predicted, expiring contracts became even less valuable.

    The true tragedy here is that Portland's big expiring deals happened a year too early (RLEC) or a year too late (Joel and Miller).
    Just bad timing all the way around.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Bad timing or bad planning? I'm not saying it's one or the other, but I have wondered about it.
     
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    I think that Andre Miller might have more value as the starting PG of this team--one without a clear backup point guard--than as an expiring contract.

    Ed O.
     
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    Oh hush. Having a PG just encourages all that nasty "ball movement" stuff. That way lies socialism and devil worship!
     
  16. LittleAlex

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    I think their hands were tied by the Roy and LA extensions.



    It doesn't matter anyway since the only teams with any chance at landing one of the impact free agents were Miami and New York.
    Everyone else was just being played for fools by the guys who had already planned to play together in Miami 2 years ago.
     

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