Morrow agrees to offer sheet with Nets

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  1. philsmith75

    philsmith75 JBB JustBBall Member

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    Morrow is a fine shooter, but that's it and there is no need to tie up that much $$ for that long for a shooter for a team like the W's. Dorrell Wright is a better piece of the puzzle. Curry is going to shoot he 3 nearly as well as Morrow in the next year or so. Morrow cannot do much else, as Warrior Fan pointed out above. Morrow is like a luxury in your life, a $5 latte is nice but do you really need it? Does it really make your life better? For the superrich, no biggie, but for a team trying to get off the mat, you can spend your $$ more wisely elsewhere. Morrow contributed to the Ws and was a fine player that I rooted for but he's been priced out of our range and so be it. I'd rather spend that $4M on a big banger.
     
  2. CohanHater

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    Agreed. If Morrow works enough on another aspect of his game, Man to man D or dribble drives, then he's worth the money. I still really like Morrow and it hurts to see guys that you like move on. (I hated seeing Ronny move on as well) As for Curry shooting it, having 2 gunners on the court with Lee on the post, pick pop and swing to Morrow in the corner should count for 2 or 3 wide open 3s a game. That's a lot of money to pay for that, though.
     
  3. Run BJM

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    Very well said philsmith, I'm in total agreement. Wright is scaring me and Udoh's injury isn't helping. Let's get a heavy banger down low and maybe add a cheap vet wing man with that money.

    And yeah Cohanhater I'm with you. Morrow might be money on those couple of 3's a game but there's a lot of cheap swingmen options who have good 3 pt %'s in their own right and they'll cme cheaper and typically have one or two other skills that they can give us.
     
  4. AlleyOop

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    I think GS should match Morrow. RunBJM, in that Steinmetz-David Lee interview you posted, Lee spoke several times about Morrow -- he was the 4th player he was excited to play with (along with Curry/Monta/Beans). He talked about how he would be able to find him on the perimeter.

    And I agree. We just got one of the best passing big men in the league. Lee will make those around him better, and he will help Morrow get open and he will find Morrow.

    Everyone harps on Morrow for being one dimensional. I disagree. Firs off, a year ago (I think Bob Fitzgerald described this on a pre-game show) a few of the Warriors vets were saying that Morrow was throwing down the sickest dunks of anyone in practice. I know it doesn't go for much, but the kid has hops. Remember this monster dunk over Brandon Roy?

    [video=youtube;TbKBqGa6Uu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKBqGa6Uu0&feature=related[/video]

    He also has handles. He has a lot of good moves to get open for jumpers, dribble crossovers, behind the back, etc. He's not very fast so he doesn't explode by people, but he does enough to keep the defender honest and get himself a bit of space for the J.

    He also has a lightning release. Unlike a lot of good shooters, Morrow is a good shooter who can also get his shot off. That's a very important thing in the NBA, with the length and athleticism on the perimeter these days. There are many good shooters who never even get to shoot because they can't get even a bit of separation. Morrow is weird because he doesn't need separation. If you watch his highlights, he can can release his shot like right in the face of the defender. He gets it up in traffic, on step backs, on the run, off screens, from the left, from the right... it really doesn't matter, he gets a pretty good look almost every time. He rarely takes an off balance or heavily contested shot.

    Watch the footage below and notice how he can get his shot off like few others (IMO).

    Here's where he went OFF and set the summer league scoring record with 47 points. He gets a variety of amazing shots and drives to the basket. Make sure to watch the 1:22 mark, where he crosses his man up and hits a step back right in his face...

    [video=youtube;HA_7MKxFMOU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA_7MKxFMOU&feature=related[/video]

    Here was his 37 points in his first NBA start:

    [video=youtube;GcMEoGoTMWo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMEoGoTMWo&feature=related[/video]


    Morrow is not just a shooter. He's a scorer. He can also rebound a bit. He's also only 24 years old. He's still got room to grow. I would match this offer and keep him. But I know I'm in the minority.
     
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    Morrow just signed the offer sheet for a S&T. Warriors get $4M trade exception. I'm sad to see him go but this is for the best for both. Good luck AMMO, hope you get that 3-pt contest spot next year!

    I am really looking forward to seeing what Riley does with the trade exception.
     
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    Like put it in Cohan's pocket? :pimp:

    I sure hope not. It would be nice if the exception allowed GS to make another move. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that a trade exception cannot be packaged with any other pieces in a trade -- it has to be a straight up trade of the exception for whatever you get in return.

    If that's the case, I'm not sure if $4 mils is going to get us very much. We can't, for example, pair it with Gadz to get back an $11 mils player.

    But, for $4 mils, we could get a good back up player, I imagine. Probably not a big man, though. Maybe another Dorell Wright type? I don't think we can use it o sign a FA, though, only trade. Who's out there?
     
  7. WarriorFan

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    Yes, can only be used with a trade but I think we would be able to do a sign and trade. I like the idea of bringing back Barnes and think 4M would be better spent on him. If orlando signs him they can send him to us and get a future 2nd round pick for their trouble.
     
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    But that's what I'm sying, I don't think we can package the $4 mils with a future draft pick...

    Or can we?

    My only fear is that Nellie would play Barnes at the PF, lol. Still, Barnes did a very good job here, and he would definitely bring some toughness.
     
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  9. Run BJM

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    The TPE is only $2.6 million according to MTII and Steinmentz.

    Not sure if we can package a draft pick but I'm sure in that case it would be easy to just make two "separate" deals i.e. TPE for a player and "sell" the pick or something like that.
     
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    Essentially right--TPE's can be packaged as long as the deal could theoretically be split into two separate CBA-legal deals in which the TPE would be dealt alone. So, TPE + pick for player + cash is a legal deal.
     
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    But doesn't that limit the amount of $$ contract you can take back (which was what I was wondering in the first place)?

    Like, you could trade Gadzu ($7 mils) and Bell ($4 mils) in a package for an $11 mils player. But you couldn't break it up and trade Gadzu for an $11 mils player (the numbers won't work), and then trade Bell separately for cash.

    Which leads my to my question: how are TPE's different from that? Is it because a draft pick has no cash value?

    Like, if the TPE is $2.6 mils, we couldn't package it with Gadzu to get an $9.6 mils player, because you can't package it with anything. Likewise, you couldn't break that into two separate trades, because again the numbers won't work.

    Now, with a draft pick, how is that different? Can we take back a larger contract because we'll "agree" to follow it up with draft pick for cash deal?

    Like, from what I understand, GS couldn't trade the $2.6 mils TPE for a $5 mils player, even if they agree to do a separate trade and send a pick over or a $3 mils player over for cash, because the initial $2.6 for $5 mils trade won't work number wise.

    So basically, all they can get with their TPE is a player worth roughly $2.6 mils, nothing more. Am I understanding that correctly?

    That's why I was asking above, because it essentially means we got back very, very little for letting Morrow walk away (whereas the NY Knicks got a boatload for letting David Lee walk away). Obviously those are two different players, and I guess GS was lucky to get anything for Morrow, but if the TPE works the way I speculate above, then...couldn't GS have gotten something better?
     
  13. Run BJM

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    We also got a conditional second round pick in this deal according to Steinments:

    http://twitter.com/msteinmetzcsn
     
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    Yeah, I saw that it's for 2011, but it's protected between 31-55. Isn't that like almost the entire 2nd round? So basically GS has a very small chance of getting it.

    As far as the TPE, I just found the answer to my question, yes you can package the TPE with draft picks in order to make it more spicy, but it won't affect the $$ amount. The Jazz just did this.

    They traded their TPE and 2 first round picks to get Al Jefferson.
     
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    Don't ever change your member name though, it's a reminder that change is possible if you're patient enough.
     
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    I thought about this before, and got feedback saying to keep it. I agree, I'll always hate Cohan. So no point changing it.

    However, I Updated my Avatar and Sig (in paint) I'll get better ones soon.
     
  18. Run BJM

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    Sweet sig.
     

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