Who had the better rookie season. Chris Paul or Lebron James?This was a topic previously but for some reason it got deleted.Lebrons rookie stats: 20.9 ppg 5.9 rpg 5.5 apg 1.65 spg 39.5 minutes per game3.46 Turnovers per game.Team record: 35-47Chris Paul's rookie stats: 16.1 ppg 5.1 rpg 7.8 apg 2.24 spg2.35 turnovers per game.Team record: 38-44Chris Paul was phenominal. He averaged 8 apg as a rookie compared to Lebrons 5.5.He averaged many more steals, Less turnovers, and lead a worse team to a better record. So if you want to bring stats into your argument Paul put up better stats.Chris Paul had to deal with all these bumps in the road:1. Jamal Maglorie got traded for pennies. He is an all star type player who is a big reason the Hornets won 18 games last season. However the Hornets traded him away which you would think would make the team worse. If the Hornets kept Maglorie on the team with Paul it could get dangerous.2. JR Smith fell off big time. Thats even more of a load Chris Paul has to take on. Im sure it was an unexpected load also. Smith played great as a rookie so everyone assumed he would get even better. Thats obviously not the case so Paul has to put more pressure on his shoulders.3. Desmond Mason has been a huge upset. I thought he would flourish as a Hornet and score 19-21 points per game. Im sure Paul felt the same way. However Mason has been a huge disappointment so far this season. He went from averaging 17 a game with Milwaukee to averaging 11 with the Hornets. So again Paul has to take on an even bigger load.4. Pj Brown. All of his numbers are down this season. Im sure Paul expected to have that double double thread every night.Again Brown isnt playing all that great this season.To take on that much of a load as a rookie is pretty amazing.So you have to take all these factors in consideration. Also they dont even have a home arena this season. They are basically playing every game on the road. I bet 1/4 of the fans at Hornets games just show up for something to do because they dont have a pro basketball team. The Hornets dont have an arena of there own which means even more hardship for the Hornets. If anything Chris Paul isnt getting enough credit. There roster is overrated. He isnt just the leader of all rookies he is at the top list of the entire NBA' stats. He is averaging 16 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, and over 2 steals per game. His steals and assist numbers are among league best.Chris Paul made David West better. West plays amazing with playmaking first point guards. When he played on the court the same time as Speedy Claxton last season he showed the same signs he is showing this season. He just needed a playmaking point guard to feed him the ball where he is most comfortable .He had to deal with all this adversity and he still had the Hornets in the playoff hunt. My hat goes off to him.
Why'd you have to make it again, even if it did get deleted? ANyway, Chris Paul. Let's compare who has the greater 2nd season though before we start having Chris Paul vs. Lebron comparisons.
I'm still not sure on this one. LeBron was the better scorer and slightly better rebdounder, but Paul was a better defender and passer. Paul also led his teams to more wins, but don't go telling me they were worse than the Cavs. Cleveland was sorry that year, and what LeBron did was just as impressive as what Chris Paul did in terms of winning
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ May 22 2006, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm still not sure on this one. LeBron was the better scorer and slightly better rebdounder, but Paul was a better defender and passer. Paul also led his teams to more wins, but don't go telling me they were worse than the Cavs. Cleveland was sorry that year, and what LeBron did was just as impressive as what Chris Paul did in terms of winning</div>Its almost indentical. The Cavs won 17 games before Lebron arrived. The Hornets won 18 before paul arrived. With Lebron the Cavs won 35 games. With Paul the Hornets won 38 games. Thats close....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ May 22 2006, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its almost indentical. The Cavs won 17 games before Lebron arrived. The Hornets won 18 before paul arrived. With Lebron the Cavs won 35 games. With Paul the Hornets won 38 games. Thats close....</div>Yes but the Hornets got the emergence of David West, Rasual Butler and Desmond Mason and Chris Paul of course. I'd say Chris had the better team to work with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes but the Hornets got the emergence of David West, Rasual Butler and Desmond Mason and Chris Paul of course. I'd say Chris had the better team to work with.</div>What emergence? Butler put up below average stats and Desmond Mason fell off big time. He went from averaging 17 points to 11 points. How can you say that is emerging? Lebron had Carlos Boozer, Zydrunas Ilgauskas,Jeff Mcinnis,Eric Williams,Chris Mihm,Darius Miles,Ricky Davis,Tony Battie,Lee Nailon.What were you saying again?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ May 22 2006, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What emergence? Butler put up below average stats and Desmond Mason fell off big time. He went from averaging 17 points to 11 points. How can you say that is emerging? Lebron had Carlos Boozer, Zydrunas Ilgauskas,Jeff Mcinnis,Eric Williams,Chris Mihm,Darius Miles,Ricky Davis,Tony Battie,Lee Nailon.What were you saying again? </div>Sorry i meant to say the emergence of David West.Look at his team http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/stats/2003/index.html
Carlos Boozer> David West Zydrunas Ilgauskas>any single player on the entire Hornets roster.Jeff McInnis>Speedy ClaxtonEric Williams> Rasual Butler and JR SmithLee NailonDajuan Wagner Tony BattieKevin OllieDeSagana DiopIs a better bench then:Marc JacksonRasual ButlerAaron Williams Chris AndersonIts obvious Lebron had the much better team.
Chris Paul. He's awesome, they both didn't have the best teams around them. LeBron did have the better team though. I think it's harder to be a PG with a crappy team than a SG-SF with a team that is just below average. Chris Paul led his team in pretty much every statistic category. LeBron did a lot though don't get me wrong but Chris Paul in my opinion is going to possibly be the best point gaurd to ever play. It should be interesting to see how there careers play out though.
Tony, Tony, Tony.Look here.Ilgauskas averaged 15.3 ppg and 8.4 rpg. Brown averaged 9 and 7. Advantage goes to Cavs there.Boozer averaged 15 and 11. West averaged 17 and 7. Ill give the advantage to the Cavs once again.Mason averaged 10.8 ppg and 4.3 rpg. Williams averaged 10 and 4. Advantage goes to the Hornets.Rasual Butler averaged 9 ppg and 3 rpg. Lee Nailon averaged 7 ppg and 3 rpg. Advatage goes to the Hornets.Jeff McInnis averaged 12 ppg, 6 apg and 1 spg. Speedy Claxton averaged 12 ppg, 5 apg and 1.5 spg in 28 minutes well McInnis played 35 mpg. Equal I'd say. Cavs Benchajuan Wagner: 6.5 ppg, 1 rpg, 1 apg, 36% shootingTony Battier: 5 ppg, 2 rpg, 1 apg on 46% shootingKevin Ollie: 4 ppg, 2 rpg, 3 apg on 37% shootingIra Newble: 4 ppg, 2 rpg, 1 apg on 40% shootingMateen Cleaves: 4 ppg, 2 rpg, 5 apg on 30% shootingJason Kapono: 3 ppg, 1 rpg on 40% shootingDesagana Diop: 2 ppg, 4 rpg on 395 shooting.Hornets Bench:Marc Jackson: 8 ppg, 4 rpg, 1 apg on 48% shootingKirk Snyder: 8 ppg, 2 rpg, 1 apg on 45% shootingJR Smith: 8 ppg, 2 rpg, 1 apg on 39% shootingMarcus Fizer: 7 ppg, 2 rpg on 53% shootingAaron Williams: 5 ppg, 4 rpg on 52% shootingLinton Johnson: 5 ppg, 4 rpg on 40% shootingChris Anderson: 5 ppg, 5 rpg on 57% shootingMoochie Norris: 3 ppg, 1 rpg on 42% shootingBrandon Bass: 2 ppg on 34% shootingArvydas Macijauskas : 2 ppg on 34% shootingJackson Vroman: 2 ppg, 2 rpg on 40% shootingAdvantage Hornets.
Your just using stats. I doubt you have seen any of these guys play in 2003.Lebron had the better team regardless of stats. Boozer is better than any single player on the entire Hornets roster. As well as Big Z is.That almost gives him the better team just with those 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No actually. David West=Big Z believe it or not.</div>How do you figure? Because he averaged 2 more PPG than Z did? Z averaged more rebounds, Played better interior defense, and was close to leading the league in blocks per game. Z averaged 2.5 blocks per game which was among league best and West averages less than 1 block per game.Oh yeah, West also played more minutes.Give up already.
Chris Paul had a better rookie season. LeBron just scored more, Chris Paul dominated in everything except that. Even the rebounding because of his size and position. He brought a wose team to a better record.. what more can be said?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ May 22 2006, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do you figure? Because he averaged 2 more PPG than Z did? Z averaged more rebounds, Played better interior defense, and was close to leading the league in blocks per game. Z averaged 2.5 blocks per game which was among league best and West averages less than 1 block per game.Oh yeah, West also played more minutes.Give up already.</div>Okay maybe Z>West by a little but to say that Z>the whole Hornets team is absolutely rediculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay maybe Z>West by a little but to say that Z>the whole Hornets team is absolutely rediculous.</div>Besides Chris Paul who on the Hornets roster is better then Z? Exactly, Nobody is.I meant that Z is better then any single player on the entire Hornets roster.
But you said he was better than the whole team.I assume Big Z>Hornets mean the whole team.Hornets have the better guards, SF and bench then the Cavsand the Hornets still have a decent PF, C combo in West, Brown.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 22 2006, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But you said he was better than the whole team.I assume Big Z>Hornets mean the whole team.Hornets have the better guards, SF and bench then the Cavsand the Hornets still have a decent PF, C combo in West, Brown.</div>That is a weak argument. No SINGLE player is better than Z. That's what he meant.
