Blazers on Paul's List

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  1. Ed O

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    Well, sure. But I don't know that he'd really be hurt by the size and athleticism of, say, Richard Jefferson or Courtney Lee or other mediocre-to-bad starting SFs. Good SFs might eat him up, but that's because they're good :)

    Agreed. It would be incredible.

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    I think they might find Jameer useful. He's experienced deep in the playoffs, and I"m not going to simply compare numbers on him and Collison based on the great disparity of their teams' success. They can get Gortat to replace Okafor, and having Carter for one season can't hurt them. They have a few other decent role players as well. Plus being in the other conference helps them. I think we can get this deal done, too. It depends on what Orlando offers against us, and what we're willing to part with.
     
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    But one of the reasons they can feel comfortable dealing Paul is because they have Collison behind him who is much much cheaper. If they're trading Paul, they go into rebuilding mode. Carter and Nelson just puts them into mediocre territory. Something you don't really want to be in unless your name is Brian Colangelo.
     
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    Yes, seriously. He's overrated.

    A decent player or two for any position, like us.
     
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    Look, I'm hoping we can make this deal too. I'm just saying, if Orlando beats us don't be surprised. If they don't, and we get him, I hope it doesn't kill us.
     
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    It isn't Orlando I am worried about. It is firstly us, for not willing to give up the players needed and so we kill ourselves, then Knicks as a close second. The Magic and Dallas are not even in my mind, really.
     
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    I just read some comments on ESPN from Henry ABbotts article. Man those readers HATE the blazers lol.
     
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    I'm a little worried because they've already tried offering for Paul within the last 30 days.
     
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    Which certainly gives us a chance. I'm not worried about New York at all, or Dallas.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    But on the same level as Rudy? THE same Rudy who shot 38% from 2? Who was injured for much of the season? Who pouted his way into the playoffs and beyond? THE same Rudy?
     
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    How does that make sense? So just because they proposed a trade in the past that means they have a high shot?

    Okay, so by this logic since our trade that was "close to being accepted by the Hornets" right after the draft (or was it right before?) is first off even true, then once the meeting between the Hornets and Paul fail, they should just call us to accept our trade we made earlier, which Oden, Aldridge, or Roy were not a part of.
     
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    Yes, they both equally mean nothing to me.
     
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    Gallinari is younger and more productive, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I would think the general consensus around the league is that Gallinari has more value than Fernandez.
     
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    They proposed a trade in the same time frame as we did, allegedly. Why I would worry is:

    1. They can match us for talent to fill NOLA's needs.
    2. Their "mostly expiring" contract is better than both of ours combined. Plus Carter fills a need position for at least a year, where Miller doesn't necessarily do so and who knows when Joel will be able to play.
    3. They only have to see Paul twice a year if he goes to Orlando.

    I'm not saying we don't have a shot, I'm saying Orlando has as much of a shot. I think on paper, even better.
     
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    Well that is fine. The talent you mention is Jameer, Hornets have no use for him. The Knicks are still by bet to get Paul if we fail to.
     
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    No they don't. Nelson is not a need with Collison. Vince as a stopgap does nothing for them. Gortat I'll give you, but Bayless, Batum, Rudy trumps Gortat in terms of young, cheap talent.

    Not necessarily. If VC is guaranteed 4 Million, his contract is essentially a $13 Million expiring, less than Miller+Przybilla. It does let Orlando take more salary back, but there are ways Portland can take the same number of contracts back as well.

    And again, if they are trading Paul, it means they go into rebuilding mode, Carter does nothing for them in that regard. They'd want to be bad in order to get a higher draft pick. They'd probably rather develop Marcus Thrornton anyways instead of playing Carter.

    I'll give you that, but is that really such an important factor?

    Well I disagree pretty adamantly.
     
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    I agree. But I think New York would have a tough time making a better deal for Paul than we would.
     
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    Everyone is trying to throw Rudy in, but I don't see why he would want to go to NOH or why NOH would want to pay a player that may refuse to play for them.

    This is the best trade I could come up with

    NOH trades
    Chris Paul
    Emeka Okafor
    James Posey
    D. Songaila
    Total salary leaving NOH - 37,731,753

    Blazers trade
    Batum
    Camby
    Przybilla
    Cunningham
    Miller
    Bayless
    Total Salary leaving Blazers - 30,675,951

    NOH gets rid of bad salaries, gets some good youth and expiring contracts. They also immediately save over 7 million. Add in 3 mil cash = 10 million. Add in approximately 3 million expected to be saved from przybilla insured contract. That equates to an instant savings of 13 million dollars. Blazers throw in a couple first rounders.

    Blazers would be quite thin, but would have one heck of a starting line up.
     
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    If they value Collison higher than Nelson, then yeah. I think I like Ryan Anderson and Mickael Pietrus more than the average Blazer fan. Gortat/Anderson/Pietrus could be good trade pieces along with another player, though not as young as our guys.

    I'm saying Vince Carter might be worth the extra million vs. our expirings. As far as rebuilding mode, the expirings both they and we have to offer probably aren't involved. It's the other parts of the deal.
     

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