I think more teams build arounf guards and forwards, but even last night we saw two centers who mean everything to their team. Even though Shaq only scored 14 points, he still dictated alot of Miami's offense early. Even though Ben Wallace didn't ahve a superioir game, he still meant alot to Detroit's defense. The reason we don't talk about centers as much anymore, is because there simply aren't as many good ones
No,we dont talk about centers to much because they're not as flashy as the guards or fowards.This is how the society is now,The majority of the NBA fans rather watch flashy plays then centers playing smart basketball,its just how the NBA is now.
The Centers do all of the dirty work, while the guards and forwards are meant to do the flashy plays and scoring. Centers are underrated and if you have a good one it is a rare find in this day and age.
Well remember both Ben and Shaq are older now...and Yao isn't that young either.What you seeing is a change to athletic PF like centers.Your going to see less of young centers like Bogut and Yao, and more of Amare, Bosh, and Dwight Howard.When you can get a dominant big man at the 4, like TD and Dirk, who can play both positions, it makes it even easier.Centers will always have their place, I mean even the Spurs and Mavs need Nazr and Diop/Dampier to block shots...but none of them are THAT important to to their teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xi sickness xi @ May 24 2006, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No,we dont talk about centers to much because they\\\'re not as flashy as the guards or fowards.This is how the society is now,The majority of the NBA fans rather watch flashy plays then centers playing smart basketball,its just how the NBA is now.</div> What the hell are you talking about? I don't think any of this matters. Look at the Tim Duncans and all the other PF's that could play C, does it really matter if they play PF? If they played C all the PF spots would be taken over with many of the goons playing center....Twenty years ago KG should play center....but it doesn't make much of a difference which position he plays.
BCB,I'm just saying centers aren't talked about as much because they aren't as flashy as the guards.Sure Tim Duncan and KG are talked about since they were both former MVP and each are top 5 players in the NBA.
What does that have to do with anything? Centers aren't talked about because a majority of them aren't very good.
no, bc every contending team has an inside presence, sans phoenix right now. They may not all be Centers, but they play like Centers, and they make a huge impact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yao isn't that young either.</div>Uh, Yao is 25. And last time I checked, Yao wasn't "useless".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ May 24 2006, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well remember both Ben and Shaq are older now...and Yao isn't that young either.What you seeing is a change to athletic PF like centers.Your going to see less of young centers like Bogut and Yao, and more of Amare, Bosh, and Dwight Howard.When you can get a dominant big man at the 4, like TD and Dirk, who can play both positions, it makes it even easier.Centers will always have their place, I mean even the Spurs and Mavs need Nazr and Diop/Dampier to block shots...but none of them are THAT important to to their teams.</div>Yao is 25 you idiot lol and was drafted in 2002.But when a team has a good center, it makes the game to much easier. Shaq may not be as good as he used to be, but the presence of him on the court helps Miami win so much. Just him being there is tough because all the questions running through the opposing teams head is crazy: "Should I double or not (someone will be open and Shaq can find them)? Should I try to cheat off Shaq's screens (it could leave him wide open off a roll)?" etc. etc. etc.Even if a team doesn't have a Shaq or a Yao, Big Z, or Ben Wallace, if they have a decent center that plays his roll, he is very valuable. Guys like Zo is extremely valuable to the Heat for his defensive presence and toughness. Tony Battie comes in and defends and rebounds. Eddy Curry plays his post game and uses his body on the offensive end. Chris Mihm blocks shots, grabs rebounds, and can even occasionally have a good scoring night. Tyson Chandler comes in and rebounds/blocks shots. Erick Dampier comes in and rebounds, pushes his weight around, and uses his fouls. I mean centers are very valuable, but the NBA just isn't filled with dominating centers like they once had, I mean Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq in his prime, etc. That's scary. We don't have that any more.Don't worry, history always repeats itself and sometime down the road, we will see 5-7 star centers in the league again. But as of right now, the NBA is mostly a perimiter game. Even PF's nowadays shoot 3's (Dirk, Sheed, Walker, etc). That was almost unheard of in the 70's-80's. The game has changed. Nowadays the game is played mostly from the outside and above the rim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 24 2006, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does that have to do with anything? Centers aren't talked about because a majority of them aren't very good.</div>I don't know what this has to do with the topic, because it's about the skill of centers not "flashiness", but that is somewhat true. No one really talks about Tim Duncan, for example, because in the eyes of retarded fans, he's not entertaining. However, the question wasn't "Are centers becoming less famous"The question was: Are they becoming uselessThe point about their flashiness is irrelevent
The Key to a great defense is usually always having a good defensive center. Look at the Pistons. Of course they arent useless, they are the ones that can give you easy scoring opportunities, an inside game and a great defense.
Kmart,Im just proving a point of the society today.The majority of NBA fans wanna see crazy dunks,and dont wanna see Tim duncan a boring basketball player.Yes Most centers in the NBA are bad but still they're not flashy and thats why no one really pays attention to them.The only center i really put attention on is Yao,hes so damn big lol.
If you dont like great centers and Power Forwards then you just dont have very much knowledge of the game of basketball
What exactly are you talking about?I read alot of your posts and most of them dont make to much sense.Anyways I never said anywhere in that post that i didn't like centers,alls i said was the majority of basketball fans like flashy players.....I.e Kobe Bryant,Lebron James,Dwyane Wade.I'm a big fan of 3 point shooting basketball but im cool with good centers.Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are nasty players,but most centers are boring to wacth and as BCB said.Theres no more good centers,The games running out of them,theres only Z,Ben,shaq and Yao.Thats all,anyways think before you put words in my mouth.I never said i didn't like centers or forwards.
Amare Stoudemire is switching to Center and he's really exciting to watch. And, he's popular. Yao Ming is young too. Back in the 80's and 90's there were only a few star centers too; Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem (80's), David Robinson, Shaq, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xi sickness xi @ May 24 2006, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kmart,Im just proving a point of the society today.The majority of NBA fans wanna see crazy dunks,and dont wanna see Tim duncan a boring basketball player.Yes Most centers in the NBA are bad but still they're not flashy and thats why no one really pays attention to them.The only center i really put attention on is Yao,hes so damn big lol.</div> NBA fans from the 60's-70's didn't love PF/C's either...they loved exciting guards as much as we do.
I havent read anyones posts so if i say something that someone else has said, bare with me.Now to answer the question, are they becoming useless? I dont think so. Look at the 4 teams still in the playoffs; Mavericks, Piston, Heat, and Suns. All of those teams use a decent sized player at the center position. Now the Suns arent using their center right now because he is injured (Amare Stoudamire), but if he wasnt injured, he would be dominating during the playoffs. Now the Heat have Shaq and Mourning, the Mavs have Diop and Damp, and the Pistons use a 3 man rotation at the 4 and 5 spots with Ben, Rasheed, and Antionio. While the NBA is starting to drift to a wings game, centers are not totally useless yet. If you look at the 16 playoff teams, almost all of them have a decent center. Spurs-Tim DuncanKings-Brad MillerMavs-Diop/DampierGrizzlies-Pau GasolSuns-Amare StoudamireLakers-Kwame BrownClippers-Chris KamanNuggets-Marcus CambyPistons-Ben WallaceBucks-Andruw BogutPacers-Jermaine O'NealNets-Nenad KrsticHeat-ShaqBulls-Tyson ChandlerCavs-Zydrunas IlgauskasWizards-Brendon HaywoodNow i know that Haywood, Chandler, and Kwame arent dominant by no means, but they are servicable. Now even with that list, i know its not Bill Russell against Wilt Chamberlain, but i think that proves that the center position isnt useless. On top of that, the Lakers are developing Andruw Bynum and the Bulls will probably get LaMarcus Aldridge in the draft to fill that center position. One more note, lets not forget about a guy by the name of Greg Oden. Some of you guys might of heard of him. lol He'll come into the league and raise up the center position for years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 24 2006, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare Stoudemire is switching to Center and he's really exciting to watch. And, he's popular. Yao Ming is young too. Back in the 80's and 90's there were only a few star centers too; Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem (80's), David Robinson, Shaq, etc.</div>Actually, there were a ton more dominating centers. The only dominating centers are Shaq, and sort of Yao. Ben and Camby are dominant on the defensive end only. There are a few good up and coming centers, a la Chris Kaman, Andrew Bogut, Nenad Kristic, etc.Can't wait for the days of the Oden. :happy0144:
