Bob and Chris, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Anyone think that the elevation of Bob Dudley to head of BP will have an effect on the OR governors race?

    My best guess is that it will make Chris a more viable candiate - although more than zero isn't a big accomplishment.

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    Are they related?

    I'd say a connection with BP would hardly be an asset these days.
     
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    If you don't think Chris Dudley is a strong candidate for governor then I think you're in for a surprise.
     
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    I think he's an incredibly weak candidate in the sense of being qualified, but as far as getting elected, who knows.

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    Qualified? How exactly do you get to be qualified to run for governor? I think the only qualification you need is a big bank account. I don't see how he could do any worse than that idiot Kitzhaber.
     
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    I agree we already had Kitzhaber once and I really don't want him back. From Kitzhaber last time I don't think he is qualified.
     
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    The way you qualify to run for governor is to win the primary, which Dudley did. I was speaking of his qualifications to be governor, which are nonexistent. The man doesn't even vote.

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    Kitzhaber was a huge disappointment to me. I voted for him twice and all he did was veto bills and be a 'yes' man for the Public Employees Union. He had a well deserved reputation for being a consensus builder in the State legislature and then became the compete opposite as guv. He also represents the "business as usual" candidate who will not address the #1 issue with the state's budget- PERS retirement system. It has, literally, over ridden the ability to be a solvent state ever again. That means the state's woes can only get worse.

    I agree with barfo that Dudley brings no specific qualifications to be a Governor. But at least if he is elected it will be making a new mistake instead of an old one. I think I'm ready for some new thinking. Even if it fails.
     
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    Okay then what are the qualifications to be governor? Do you feel Kitzhaber has demonstrated these qualifications?
     
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    I don't mean to suggest that PERS isn't a problem - it is. But you are exaggerating wildly here. PERS currently consumes less than 2% of the state budget.

    The problem with that line of thinking is that all mistakes are not created equal. It is possible to make a bigger, taller mistake.

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    I would say the minimum qualifications are some knowledge of, and interest in, state government.

    Kitzhaber clearly meets those qualifications; Dudley clearly does not.

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    Actually PERS is projected to be a major driver of the increase to the state budget over the next 3 years. Perhaps $400 million in increases will be due to PERS. If you don't think it's a huge problem then I believe you are mistaken.
     
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    So you're saying the Republican candidate for governor has no interest in state government? Got it.
     
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    Yes. How much of the state budget is $400 million? 0.7%

    It is a big problem. But let's not pretend it is insurmountable.

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    I'm saying there is zero evidence that he has an interest in it other than deciding that he wants to be governor.

    Let's put it this way. I am more qualified, by far, to be Blazers GM, than Duds is to be Governor.

    Edit: I note that you didn't challenge the "knowlege of state government" portion of my assertion. Probably a wise choice.

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    $400 million represents roughly 10% of the state budget projected increases over the next 3 years. That is a HUGE problem.
     
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    A lack of knowledge of state government may be a good thing imo.
     
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    What about the other 90%? Is that a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE (that's 9 HUGE's) problem?

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    barfo, the state revenues have been dropping rapidly while pers is rising rapidly. It is a major problem. There are others, to be sure, but none as bad as pers.
     
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    Sure. Ignorance is always really helpful, and a very desirable quality in a leader.

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