Me bitter?.....U Mad?...we just won the Championship...lol Anyways, I can accept that Magic was the sidekick to kareem, surely cause Jordan and Magic did not play the same role, one was the playmaker and the other was a scorer. Magic could indeed fit into pippens bracket more than Jordans. But lebron into Kobe's or Jordan's bracket, NEVER!!!!
Well Kobe only has two rings in his super long career, Shaq's rings don't count. I'm not that impressed, in addition Kobe's prime is done and he'll never prove to be a great player on the level of Jordan and LeBron. LeBron's criticism is rings, that will be solved shortly. Even if he retires from the league today Kobe will never be a Duncan level player. So if you're going to get arrogant about it I'll shoot down all your hopes. You're truly ignorant about history then, because Kareem won as a role player in his last two titles. 19 and 14 points a game, at below league average PER because he was inefficient. You're not nuanced if you think Kareem "lead" those teams. By that figure alone Magic Johnson wins, so you lose. You're just spiteful, I don't even care about Duncan and most of these other players.
, I couldn't help but laugh. I wont go any further, your immaturity knows no limits. By the way, if miami don't win anything, you are welcome to come back as a temporary laker fan if you want.
HK! man, "kobe only has two rings"...what?! wow man you actually cant count. i am now convinced you are 7 years old. tell me HK, what has lebron done to earn a spot up with jordan as the greatest? nothing really. sure his stats are pretty good, but so are big O's, but i dont see you mention him as the greatest? you have to calm down and sop making such crazy accusations, its so frustrating for all of us, you are completely counter-productive, and i dont see why your still here. go away.
I think I'm going to throw up. The more I learn about James, the less respect I have for him. He seems hugely immature, and totally bought into some punk hip-hop rap fantasy about his own self-importance.
The guy who invented the site basketball reference should be shot immediately. This site tells us NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING about leadership skills, helping one's teammates mentally and giving them advice about their game. It's just pure stats which are put together by people who might have never played basketball in their life. I'm so sick of this. Hear what people who REALLY know about basketball, think. [video=youtube;pt-f49jyMmo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt-f49jyMmo[/video] [video=youtube;-_hJuAyQkpI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hJuAyQkpI&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;0565oawy9Ak]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0565oawy9Ak&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;pOsamobHeMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOsamobHeMc[/video]
And Jordan had zero rings, when Kobe had 3. Nice try. Oh but I am calm, I can easily tell Shaq was a beast, Kobe was not in the 3-peat. Shaq was a Laker right? I don't see how this is offensive to the Laker organization. 2001-02 NBA Shaquille ONeal 29 .595 FG% .662 FT% 41.5 MPG 36.3 ppg 12.3 rpg 3.8 apg 2000-01 NBA Shaquille ONeal 28 .573 FG% .513 FT% 45.0 MPG 33.0 ppg 15.8 rpg 4.8 apg 1999-00 NBA Shaquille ONeal 27 .611 FG% .387 FT% 45.5 MPG 38.0 ppg 16.7 rpg 2.3 apg 59 TS% in the Finals, Kobe's career high for a season is 58%. What is wrong with having fun in the off-season? Damn well, this "punk" just thanked the entire city of Akron in the Newspaper.
you're a joke HK. i tried man, but your self-indulgence is beyond immaturity, you're just as pompous and arrogant as lebron. i still dont understand why you are bothering to hang around the laker forum when you've just about alienated yourself from its contributors. why are you bringing up shaq? weird, i never mentioned shaq. you said kobe only has two rings because he wasnt part of the three-peat lakers. well, your wrong, he was a key contributor, and without him they would not have won. im not saying he was the best on the team, but he was key. "And Jordan had zero rings, when Kobe had 3. Nice try." well, i just dont understand what you mean by this. im at a complete loss as to what your accusing me of saying. you stated kobe only has two rings, i said, your an idiot who cant count. i then asked you what you thought lebron had done to earn such high praise as to be compared to the likes of jordan. seriously help me out here because i just dont get you man.
So then if the Heat win 10 rings, Lebron will have zero since Wade will be leading the team. According to your logic at least...
If there was a stat that proved Kris Humphries was the best ever, then HK would be rooting for Humphries. HAHA like these stats are what makes a basketball player great. Out of curiousity, how old are you, HK?
Well again you're ranting about what I never said , like your Oden > Bryant nonsense. Basically Kobe shoots below league average at a lower volume, and Shaq crushes him in those 3-peat years. Wow not a very savvy comment. Are you sure you've been reading? Um no because I plan on LeBron winning more Finals MVPs in this decade than anyone else. This guy: "2001-02 NBA Shaquille ONeal 29 .595 FG% .662 FT% 41.5 MPG 36.3 ppg 12.3 rpg 3.8 apg 2000-01 NBA Shaquille ONeal 28 .573 FG% .513 FT% 45.0 MPG 33.0 ppg 15.8 rpg 4.8 apg 1999-00 NBA Shaquille ONeal 27 .611 FG% .387 FT% 45.5 MPG 38.0 ppg 16.7 rpg 2.3 apg" Has one less ring than Kobe but is clearly better in title runs and lead his team to 3 titles, so how the heck did you get that out of my posts? Kobe has two Finals MVPs and 5 rings, more than Wade. But he's still inferior to Shaq and soon LeBron when James wins more Finals MVPs. I can post wherever I want, that's why. I don't intend to troll or whatever in every thread, or start trouble, don't worry. But since you asked for my opinion earlier, blame yourself. "hey HK, what do you think of your beloved lebron after reading that? " No that's not what I said actually. I said his rings mean nothing in the GOAT debate. Because he wasn't the Finals MVP level player on those teams. Well this isn't the key contributor debate. I do think he was a key contributor, that has nothing to do with my larger point. Sure I'll repeat myself, those 3 rings mean nothing in the GOAT debate. Michael Jordan and his zero rings cream Kobe's first three rings. And LeBron has the greatest ever 25 and under career in the NBA. Kobe's career doesn't compare in the beginning. Kobe's prime came at age 27. Glad I was able to help.
Your numbers on Shaq shooting better (TS%) than Kobe in those 3-peat years, do they include the fact that they are 2 different players taking different shots? For example, Shaq is basically doing all his scoring within less than 10ft of the basket and/or off dunks. Whereas Kobe is taking his shots between drives and jumpshots. Just wondering. Because conventional thinking, at least for me, leads me to believe that big man ALWAYS shoot better than guards (not counting Tony Parker's crazy year). Also another question/point, but is totally unrelated to Kobe, is that do you think Shaq averages THAT many rebounds If he plays next to someone of the caliber of Bynum/Pau or even Lamar? Because if Pau is the sole super-quality big man (or Bynum), I would think they would average many more rebounds as well. Just asking.
Repped. It reminds me of the Kobe's 81 vs. Wilt's 100 debate. Many (if not most) said Kobe's 81 was more impressive because the way he scored 81.
I don't find many of these questions reasonable, because this is clearly not Kobe's prime anyway (and I say that in a good way). Dynasty it looks like you just like Kobe more because he has a flashier style. This is what's wrong with a lot of fans, they can't separate who they want to root for with how much actual basketball talent they have. Yes, it accounts for free throws and three pointers. This is a pretty silly question, Dynasty. Kobe is shooting at Allen Iverson level in the three peat, which are below his standards. Well let's compare their contributions in this era. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=Q3rmj http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=EKoMZ Using un-adjusted numbers, it is pretty easy to tell it isn't even a contest. In fact Kobe is a below-average volume scorer even for perimeter player standards. Shaq is a superior offensive player, and defensive player. Kobe can't take as many shots inside, he's never been that kind of player. 75% of his shots are jumpers. Looking at the usage-efficiency tradeoff Shaq was 6 points better on offense (113 offensive rating compared to 107 for Kobe), and much better defensively. He was at LeBron or Jordan level overall. It is more than just TS%, and it does take into account that they are two different players. As in, Shaq is on another level. It is no coincidence that he won those 3 Finals MVPs. There's a problem with Kobe's end of the deal though. He's not playing at Superstar perimeter player level, even if we want to downgrade what Shaq did, which we shouldn't. You do understand that shots in the paint are what separate Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, etc. from the Allen Iversons of the world right? A 44% midrange jumper is not an extremely efficient shot, it should be avoided when possible. You're confusing yourself with a low-volume scorer measured by FG%. This is the most obvious case of an obsolete analysis. In this instance TS% adjusts for 3 pointers and the ability to hit a high rate of FTs (helps Kobe), and we're taking into account a high volume scorer in Shaq. In fact Kobe should have a much higher efficiency at 25 PPG if he even wants to be at Shaq's level. He can't shoot at a lower rate and below league average TS%. Dynasty, you are really off your game today. Do you know who Horace Grant is? http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grantho01.html Shaq rebounded at the same rate with him. Honestly there was no reason to ask any of these questions. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=WdKen Wow, no that's not the reason why. In fact it is the superior game because pace-adjusted Kobe was far better than Wilt in that game. In other words, advanced stats that I have been using all this time.
PLEASE pass us whatever you're smoking. Because of Kobe's "advanced stats" is why they say his performance was more impressive, not because the way he scored 81? How many rebounds/assists/steals did Kobe have that game? How many blocked shots and rebounds did Wilt have in his 100 point game? Dude, I'm sorry, but you talk out of your ass. OBVIOUSLY a college kid.
Ok........ You compared Prime Shaq to Kris Humphries, then repped Dynasty for defending Kobe's Allen Iverson percentages. Not the most astute sequence of posts. I think a lot of people discount Wilt, because of the era he played in. Less integrated, pace-inflated, etc. I respect this era more and think it is just generally harder to play in it, compared to the 60's. Who is "they" and "most" people? I have no freaking clue what you're talking about. Again random remarks on your part. What was the average number of possessions in a game in the early 60's? Do you understand how to compare different eras?
Look, I don't see why you can't get this through your head. The Lakers are the best team in basketball, and their two past championships prove it. "Playing at an inferior level" helped them defeat the Celtics for gold. You're going to argue it's because of Pau Gasol. Did MJ not have Scottie Pippen? Hell, MJ may have had the best supporting cast ever in basketball. Was he not, at his time, the best player in basketball? I guess not....according to your illogical logic anyways....
The Lakers are indeed the champs, and best team the past two seasons. Get that right please. Again, I don't recall saying many of these things (LA is the best organization ever by the way). MJ is better than Kobe so what I say about him is different.
I asked you some legitimate questions, and you came back like an asshole. No wonder why everyone wants to just get at you, because you talk down to everyone else around here, even when some of us here have just seriously asked you questions, and you just talk back to us like everyone is attacking you. Calm the fuck down kid.
