I didn't call marbury mediocre.And marbury was good back in 2003, the year he took the spurs to game 6. I would love to see Marion play with a medicore pg.Where did i say marbury was average? I said, i would love to see Marion play with an mediocre. Marbury was not a mediocre Pg in 2003, if you actually claim he is than you're an actual hater.Secondly, how is scoring off dunks, the occasional 3 pointer and offensive put backs impressive? It's clear to anyone watching basketball that marion is not a good scorer.Thirdly, kobe was pure class during the series. In game 1 when got hit in the head by tim thomas he didn't cry in the interview. In game 5, when the refs were clearly biased towards to the suns i did not hear kobe cry. When raja bell flopped [yes i have the gif which clearly shows no contact was made] and kobe was called for an offensive foul kobe did not cry in the media.The suns on the otherhand cried in the press conference when things were not going their way. When they won game 6, nash came into the locker room and proclaimed "we only up 4-2" even though the refs had handed them game 5 with the parade at the freethrow line.Kobe bryant was pure class in the series, the suns won't. You lose.edit: And who flipping cares about Mark Dantoni's name.Yeah your not biased rolleyes.gifAnd Marbury is a shoot first pg. Your just a suns hater.I'm obviously not going to like a team who beat the lakers, i have not forgiven the spurs nor detroit for what they did to my team. I don't hate everyone on the suns, infact their are some players on their team i actually like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't call marbury mediocre.And marbury was good back in 2003, the year he took the spurs to game 6. I would love to see Marion play with a medicore pg.Where did i say marbury was average? I said, i would love to see Marion play with an mediocre. Marbury was not a mediocre Pg in 2003, if you actually claim he is than you're an actual hater.Secondly, how is scoring off dunks, the occasional 3 pointer and offensive put backs impressive? It's clear to anyone watching basketball that marion is not a good scorer.Thirdly, kobe was pure class during the series. In game 1 when got hit in the head by tim thomas he didn't cry in the interview. In game 5, when the refs were clearly biased towards to the suns i did not hear kobe cry. When raja bell flopped [yes i have the gif which clearly shows no contact was made] and kobe was called for an offensive foul kobe did not cry in the media.The suns on the otherhand cried in the press conference when things were not going their way. When they won game 6, nash came into the locker room and proclaimed "we only up 4-2" even though the refs had handed them game 5 with the parade at the freethrow line.Kobe bryant was pure class in the series, the suns won't. You lose.edit: And who flipping cares about Mark Dantoni's name.Yeah your not biased rolleyes.gifAnd Marbury is a shoot first pg. Your just a suns hater.I'm obviously not going to like a team who beat the lakers, i have not forgiven the spurs nor detroit for what they did to my team. I don't hate everyone on the suns, infact their are some players on their team i actually like.</div>First off were not talking about 7 games here. were talking about careers. dont even say kobe has been "pure class" throughout his whole career because thats bullsh**. i could go around saying allen iverson is pure class because hes my favorite player but i dont because that would make me biased like you and im not. Second you acting liek marion is just a scorer. thats your only arguement that hes not a great scorer. If you actually followed basketball you would know that Marion is a great all around player. Hes one of the top 3 best rebounders in the league. a great defender. a great athlete, and so much more. Get that in your brainless head for god sake. Last its not Mark D'Antoni its Mike D'Antoni
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't call marbury mediocre.And marbury was good back in 2003, the year he took the spurs to game 6. I would love to see Marion play with a medicore pg.Where did i say marbury was average? I said, i would love to see Marion play with an mediocre. Marbury was not a mediocre Pg in 2003, if you actually claim he is than you're an actual hater.Secondly, how is scoring off dunks, the occasional 3 pointer and offensive put backs impressive? It's clear to anyone watching basketball that marion is not a good scorer.Thirdly, kobe was pure class during the series. In game 1 when got hit in the head by tim thomas he didn't cry in the interview. In game 5, when the refs were clearly biased towards to the suns i did not hear kobe cry. When raja bell flopped [yes i have the gif which clearly shows no contact was made] and kobe was called for an offensive foul kobe did not cry in the media.The suns on the otherhand cried in the press conference when things were not going their way. When they won game 6, nash came into the locker room and proclaimed "we only up 4-2" even though the refs had handed them game 5 with the parade at the freethrow line.Kobe bryant was pure class in the series, the suns won't. You lose.edit: And who flipping cares about Mark Dantoni's name.Yeah your not biased rolleyes.gifAnd Marbury is a shoot first pg. Your just a suns hater.I'm obviously not going to like a team who beat the lakers, i have not forgiven the spurs nor detroit for what they did to my team. I don't hate everyone on the suns, infact their are some players on their team i actually like.</div>Its funny how in game 5 they only shot 19 free thows. LOL. The Suns wont what? If Marion isnt in your 'mind' the picture of a scorer, who is? I didnt say Marbury was midiocre, your paragraph made it looks like you were calling him mediocre, and I was laughing at that.Btw, when did you become the owner of the Lakers?
The reason why i called him overrated was because it was claimed by some writers that he was the mvp of the league. I know marion plays good Perimeter defense. However, i believe he's rebounding is inflated. The suns play in the system where there are more possesions. If there are more possesisons, then there will obviously be more rebounds. I'm not doubting he's not a good rebounder but when the lakers slowed down the tempo, he's rebounding suddenly crashed down. Coincidence? I think not.edit: I'm talking about the series, kobe was a class act whilst the suns were punk asses.Its funny how in game 5 they only shot 19 free thows. LOL. The Suns wont what? If Marion isnt in your 'mind' the picture of a scorer, who is?The game was tied i think in the mid 2nd. Then they went on a parade on the freethrow line.
hold on, first off you were mad that some people were claiming he was the SUNS MVP, now its that people were saying he was the league MVP.make up your mind.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ May 27 2006, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hold on, first off you were mad that some people were claiming he was the SUNS MVP, now its that people were saying he was the league MVP.make up your mind.</div> :HAHAHA: When they call him the league's mvp then he's obviously the suns mvp
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> The reason why i called him overrated was because it was claimed by some writers that he was the mvp of the league. I know marion plays good Perimeter defense. However, i believe he's rebounding is inflated. The suns play in the system where there are more possesions. If there are more possesisons, then there will obviously be more rebounds. I'm not doubting he's not a good rebounder but when the lakers slowed down the tempo, he's rebounding suddenly crashed down. Coincidence? I think not.edit: I'm talking about the series, kobe was a class act whilst the suns were punk asses.Its funny how in game 5 they only shot 19 free thows. LOL. The Suns wont what? If Marion isnt in your 'mind' the picture of a scorer, who is?The game was tied i think in the mid 2nd. Then they went on a parade on the freethrow line.</div>Oohhhhh so now that they went ahead after the second, thay had a parade of free throws. Sure. Can you not just accept that the suns score alot more then your lakers?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: When they call him the league's mvp then he's obviously the suns mvp </div> no sh*t Sherlock, but you were talking about Suns MVP before you or anyone even mentioned anything about being the league MVP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> The reason why i called him overrated was because it was claimed by some writers that he was the mvp of the league. I know marion plays good Perimeter defense. However, i believe he's rebounding is inflated. The suns play in the system where there are more possesions. If there are more possesisons, then there will obviously be more rebounds. I'm not doubting he's not a good rebounder but when the lakers slowed down the tempo, he's rebounding suddenly crashed down. Coincidence? I think not.edit: I'm talking about the series, kobe was a class act whilst the suns were punk asses.Its funny how in game 5 they only shot 19 free thows. LOL. The Suns wont what? If Marion isnt in your 'mind' the picture of a scorer, who is?The game was tied i think in the mid 2nd. Then they went on a parade on the freethrow line.</div>Ok yeah hes not the MVP of the Suns but still your putting so many biased reasons here. LOL and yes Marion is a great rebounder. I mean seriously hes 6'7 and averaged nearly 12 rpg this season. Just admit it Marion is a great player. Yes he isnt the MVP of the Suns but he isnt overated and hes a great all around player. LOL BTW just because Kobe was a class act in one series means nothing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: When they call him the league's mvp then he's obviously the suns mvp </div>You said Suns first. Now your saying both. The suns MVP doesnt nessasarily mean leagues MVP (past 2 years it is) but whatever.
I thought you would use logic and link things up. Sorry, i overestimated you.There is no doubt Marion is a good player, but to claim he's the mvp of the suns and the league is ludicrous. That alone makes him overrated.edit: Marion cannot take his oponent of the drible, cannot creat jack crap for himself and the laker series showed that when the tempo is slowed down he's stats fall.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> I thought you would use logic and link things up. Sorry, i overestimated you.There is no doubt Marion is a good player, but to claim he's the mvp of the suns and the league is ludicrous. That alone makes him overrated.</div>A few people saying that doesnt make him overated. Some people can just be a bit biased and thats it. If they did a survey whos the MVP of the Suns ill guarantee you Nash would win.BTW it would help if you quoted the post of the person who you supposively overestimated so we know who your talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> I thought you would use logic and link things up. Sorry, i overestimated you.There is no doubt Marion is a good player, but to claim he's the mvp of the suns and the league is ludicrous. That alone makes him overrated.edit: Marion cannot take his oponent of the drible, cannot creat jack crap for himself and the laker series showed that when the tempo is slowed down he's stats fall.</div>Ive never seen anyone saying Marion is the MVP of the Suns or League. Marion doesnt HAVE to take his opopnent off the dribble, so he doesnt. Marion creates almost EVERYTHING for himself, and Marion didnt have to step up as much in the laker series, since Bell Diaw Nash ect. were all playing at theyre best. And dont talk about tempo, the lakers cant deal with high tempo for more then 4 games, the series showed that, they just get worn out.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did not direct my post towards you.</div>Then who was it?
I brought up the tempo issue because i believe Marion's rebounding count is inflated. When the game is slowed down, his stats fall. Coicidence? I think not.marion creates almost EVERYTHING for himself, and Marion didnt have to step up as much in the laker series, since Bell Diaw Nash ect. were all playing at theyre best.Marion creates everything for himself? Are you serious? If you are, then my discussion with you is over. And the post before was directed to you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 26 2006, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I brought up the tempo issue because i believe Marion's rebounding count is inflated. When the game is slowed down, his stats fall. Coicidence? I think not.marion creates almost EVERYTHING for himself, and Marion didnt have to step up as much in the laker series, since Bell Diaw Nash ect. were all playing at theyre best.Marion creates everything for himself? Are you serious? If you are, then my discussion with you is over. And the post before was directed to you.</div>Wow, of course its inflated, higher tempo = more shots = more misses = more rebounds available. More rebounds = more chances. More chances for him that lead to dunks ect, which are produced by HIM, meaning HIMSELF. And note how I said almost.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Marion doesnt HAVE to take his opopnent off the dribble, so he doesnt. Marion creates almost EVERYTHING for himself</div> Maybe I'm lost but when you create for yourself, isn't taking your opposition off the dribble a key aspect in that? I don't really see how he creates everything for himself. Lob passes, dunks off misses, spot up jumpers are not creating for yourself. It takes another player for him to do those things.
Few things...1. Marion does get a lot of boards due to the Suns offense. More points --> more shots --> more boards. It doesn't quite take a college degree to figure that one out. That said, Marion is an incredibly good rebounder for his size. In fact, his board in game six is the only reason the Suns are in the Western Conference Finals.2. Marion suffers a bit from "Steve McNair disease." He spent years and years of being incredibly underrated, but once the media finally gave him credit, he's become a tad overrated. I think he's a borderline star in most offenses, but an All-Star in the Suns' offense.3. Just how many starting forwards in the league can be dominated by Lamar Odom on the blocks? Marion's good, there's no doubting that. But some of the responses in this thread only hel prove Melo_61's point. Marion could go from guarding a guard to guarding Tim Duncan?
Anytime your Shawn Marion and you get no plays called for you and you get 22ppg you are great in my book. No if's ands or but's about it. Not to mention 22/12/3/2/1.6 a game shooting 52%.
Marion is very efficient and fills up the stats sheet, but tonight against Dirk, I mean, Dirk was 12-21...
