<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ May 26 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hmmm, maybe if you didn't seem biased against the Suns I could take this more seriously.Marion is a great player, who often has to guard the big man and still brings down big rebounds, blocks shots and steals the ball better than most people in the league.</div>I'm not biased against the Suns; as a matter of fact Steve Nash is like my 3rd favorite player. But I agree with Melo, he is called underrated way too many times, when most of the time he scores is when he receives the ball from Nash. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent to create for himself, it's just that we haven't seen him do it much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ May 27 2006, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Few things...1. Marion does get a lot of boards due to the Suns offense. More points --> more shots --> more boards. It doesn't quite take a college degree to figure that one out.</div> so it should follow then that in the years past, when the Suns were not scoring as many points that his rebounds would be much much lower?Hold on, what the duece? Marion still averaged 10 boards a game, when the Suns were scoring more than 10 points less a game?
I'm not saying he's not a good rebounder, just that there inflated. His rbpg went from 9.3 in 2003 to 11.3 in 2004 with Nash.What does that show you?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 27 2006, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying he's not a good rebounder, just that there inflated. His rbpg went from 9.3 in 2003 to 11.3 in 2004 with Nash.What does that show you?</div> What the hell are you talking about? It has nothing to do with Steve Nash at all, he averaged 10.7 rebounds in 2000 and the last 2 years his rebounds are up because he's playing PF and Amare Stoudemire has been hurt. And in 2002 he scored 21ppg....and thats with no Nash...so you idiots can keep bashing Marion all you want but you look like idiots.
Shawn Marion is definetly overated to me. Since Shawn Marion has had Steve Nash in Phoenix he went from a 9 RPG to an 11 RPG. This is due to the more shots = more rebounds theory as someone has already said.Trade Shawn Marion for someguy like Paul Pierce who has to carry a team. Boston would be one of the worst teams in the league if that happened. He's a good complimentary star, but he can't carry a team for sh*t.
You guys, he averaged 10.7 rebounds in 2000 without Steve Nash, and he's getting more rebounds because he's playing closer to the basketball without Amare Stoudemire.How can you rip a guy for averaging 12 rebounds per game? This is ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 27 2006, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys, he averaged 10.7 rebounds in 2000 without Steve Nash, and he's getting more rebounds because he's playing closer to the basketball without Amare Stoudemire.How can you rip a guy for averaging 12 rebounds per game? This is ridiculous.</div>Note that's the only year he got above 10 without Steve Nash. It's obvious with more shots in the game, your going to get more rebounds. It's common sense really. Shawn Marion has been praised as one of the better all-stars since Steve Nash came to Phoenix. Before Steve Nash came to Phoenix nobody gave a rats ass about who SHawn Marion was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 27 2006, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's rebounding more because he's playing PF in Amare's absense.</div>No he's not, he played power forward last year. Amare played center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 27 2006, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well whatever, he's playing PF when he normally plays SF...</div>He's played power forward for upwards of the last two and a half years...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ May 27 2006, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's played power forward for upwards of the last two and a half years...</div> And thus why his rebounding numbers have been higher than usuall the past 2 years, but bashing Marion for getting more rebounds is ridiculous. The fact that a 6'7" 215 pound kid playing PF can pull down 12 a game deserves more praise than anything else considering he does so much more than rebound.
Probably his rebounding stats have gone up this year because he is forced to play in the post more with the season long injuries to Amare Stoudemire and also the injury to Kurt Thomas.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 27 2006, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Probably his rebounding stats have gone up this year because he is forced to play in the post more with the season long injuries to Amare Stoudemire and also the injury to Kurt Thomas.</div> Thats what i've been saying for 2 pages now but nobody says anything...It's just stupid to bash a guy who is one of the 3 most efficent players in the league...'Oh he gets 12 rebounds, his stats are inflated because of Nash'...then add in his 'inflated 22ppg'...then add his 'inflated' 2 steals and 1.6 blocks and 3 assists while shooting an 'inflated' 52% from the field.
I'm not even bashing him, all I was saying that the amount of board he pulls a game is probably a bit inflated due to the amount of shots that the Suns take in a game. Hell, the Suns have been top five and top ten in field goals attempted in just about every season he's been with the team. He is a good perimeter defender, but some people in this thread were acting like he could defend great power forwards while get his ass dominated by Lamar Odom.
I wasen't referencing the whole post to you...just your point on him playing inside, but people like Melo who are completly out of their minds.
Yeah I guess Nash also gives Marion tips for his defense. Thats why he is such a great defender :happy0144:
Exactly CB4, Nash is the reason Marion gets 12 rebounds...is also the reason he gets almost 2 steals a game, because without Nash running fast Marion doesn't get those steals and those blocks...I mean who cares if he averaged 21ppg a few years ago without Nash...or that he averaged 10.7 rebounds in his second year in the league... Without Steve Nash he wouldn't be half the player is he is... I can't wait to see what Melo has to say when he comes on tonight.
Where on earth did i not say he's a good rebounder? Where on earth did i say he's not a good defender? Can someone point it out for me? Secondly, the theory of his rebounds being inflated is common sense. When you have more possesions, you're going to get more rebounds. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot.I believe without steve nash, everything but his defense would regress. Just look at how he scores, he either shoots an open 3, off an offensive putback, alley oop or 7 foot floater. I remember K-mart posted a while ago [or someone else] that 70% of his shots are assisted on. Percentage wise, these two past years are some of his best shooting years [along with 2000]. Who did he have in 2000? Some no name Pg named Jason kidd Whether you want to believe it or not, it's the truth. Marion would not be the same player without nash [not saying he'd be bad]. Unless he can suddenly create off the drible all of a sudden.edit: And i've extensively watched the suns this year [since they get good coverage over here] and all 7 games and some games from the clipper series and this is my conclusion,
