Haven't we heard this before? So what can they offer us? Avery Bradley? First round picks for the post-Big-3 era? Big Baby?
I'm w/ the Duck. Considering the "value" of what we're giving away, and the slipping-celts, it's a good deal. Wouldn't people be blaming Cho if Rudy doesn't return to P-town and we passed on a first rounder - that trading value too.
Considering that we heard about this potential trade partner before and we didnt pull the trigger. And now we are hearing about it again, which usually means that the deal is dead ... Im not seeing this happen.
exactly... Portland doesn't have a current need to fill. I'm sure that Celts management is well aware of how valuable a 2013 (or so) 1st could be, but Rudy would seem a good fit off the ball from Rondo. Prior to the back issue he suffered from last season, a mid to low lotto pick for RF would have seemed about right. If he's right dude can play, which is why Cho shouldn't just give him away. A future pick (high lottery protected) or right to swap picks spanning seasons would seem the right sort of deal to hold out for STOMP
I'm not even really sure what Rich Cho (and maybe more importantly, Paul Allen) is really looking for in a Rudy deal? Something tells me that they're sitting on deals for two reasons 1) to show other teams that they aren't operating from a position of weakness and that they really will sit on him and his rights instead of trading him away for peanuts and 2) to show Rudy and his agent(s) that they aren't operating from a position of weakness and him acting unprofessionally is not only going to cost him money in fines for blabbing about his desire to be released, but that he's looking down the barrel of missing up to two prime years of his career if he chooses to hold out. Something tells me we're going to end up with a late first round pick for him (at best) which is no different than what we could have gotten a couple of weeks ago, but there's an attempt being made here by Allen and Cho to try and control the situation -- which doesn't seem to be working so far.
Considering Rudy was a late first round pick, it doesn't seem horrible to get that. Andy Miller could use a good punch to the cock though.
I think (and like everyone else I'm speculating) that Cho et al don't want to essentially give in to blackmail. Had Rudy quietly and privately talked to them they might have said OK we'll try for a trade you and we like but by going public he's essentially saying he is going to dictate to the team.
A lottery-protected first seems like a good trade for Portland. If Boston covets Rudy to that level, I don't see why MillerCho wouldn't do that deal immediately.
You sure about that? Boston isn't exactly cash-strapped, and besides, I don't think a better deal would be available for Rudy. Actually, I don't know why Boston would give up a first, but in a hypothetical situation where they are offering a first, it seems like good value. Also, if Paul wants to buy another first-round pick from another team, then take a first for Rudy, buy another, and use their own pick to try and move up in a draft. The more 1sts the better, IMO, at least in terms of trying to package them in a trade for either a pick or an established player.
What kind of pick do you see Portland getting from Boston? I only see mid to late 20's with them and that really isn't all that exciting.
I'd take a late-20 pick over some dud of a player on a rookie contract. Plus, assuming Portland will be in the 20s with their pick as well, try packaging both picks to move up, use one of those picks to buy another pick in a later draft, or use one of those picks in a trade for an established player.
That is a lot of if's though. There is no guarantee anybody wants any of those picks and we could wind up with two rookies with guaranteed deals who both suck. Granted the addition from subtraction would be nice
Yeah I get the impression they know that they are not going to get anything they really want, so they could care less when it happens A late first round pick is just not a big enough incentive anymore. They are probably delaying it as much as possible in the very very small possibility that a larger deal occurs that they could use Rudy as part of the deal. Again I just don't think they see any urgency. They just won't get much value for him. And they have a full roster as it is.
Draft another Euro or two and keep them overseas if MillCho doesn't want another guaranteed contract. Or, simply renounce the rights to the drafted player if the pick ends up worthless. I'd take that risk over (A) keeping Rudy, or (B) getting a very limited player such as Avery Bradley, who can't shoot, can't pass, and is terrible from the FT line.
