Bush Campaign Chief and Former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman: I'm Gay

Someone saying "who cares if he is gay?" is to me someone saying in effect that nobody should care. Not that he is asking a specific question about which Americans would care if he was gay. If you want that, call Gallup.

I mean this the way I interpreted Mediocre Man's statement, who cares what the bible says about gays?

Every time I hear something about the bible it makes it seem more far fetched. God doesn't like gay sex but he sure figured out a way to make a whole lot of gays then didn't he?

If God doesn't like fat people, maybe he should figure out how to give us all the metabolism my friend has. The guy can drink 3 McDonald's milkshakes a day and not gain a pound. He wants to but can't.

Hell, he could at least stop us from putting high fructose corn syrup in everything. I can't even find good corn on the cob in Vegas, I wonder if it has anything to do with all the corn being used for Pepsi and ethanol.

 

I've heard of them, never met one. What would you put their percentage at in the Republican party? I'm going to make a conservative guess and put it at >1%.

Why do you think every clearly gay Republican elected official chooses to stay in the closet? Why do those same elected officials tend to take such strident stances in their voting and rhetoric against the issues that would seem to adversely affect them personally? and these days besides acquiring power, what is the political philosophy of the Republican party? It sure as hell isn't reducing spending/gov't as evidenced by W's terms.

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saying Republicans are anti-gay is the same as saying Muslims are terrorists.




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So if I convert to Christianity I don't have to follow Kasruth. But I haven't. Of course I don't follow Kashruth anyway except when visiting observant relatives.

Some history. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000. Karl Rove estimated that to win in 2004 he'd need to gain around 4 million evangelical voters. So in 2004 anti-gay ballot initiatives were put on the ballot in 11 states to turn out conservative evangelicals and to appeal to independent voters who did not particularly like Bush but could be terrified by the thought of the "scarey gay". If you vote for Kerry you are voting for "scarey gay" who will take your children and your marriage and spread disease and bring hell on earth. One of these 11 states was Ohio, which Bush won by a very narrow margin and which decided the election. Analysts agree that the anti-gay ballot measure made the difference. Incidentally I did not vote for Kerry, I'm just citing facts.

And the chairman of the Republican party in 2004 was Ken Mehlman. He said not one word.

That's why GLBT folks are now saying for him just to say he feels fine is insufficient. We're all glad he's out. 43 years in the closet is his personal tragedy. But his actions made life that much harder for other gays. And he is right now demonizing Muslims in the same way gays (Blacks, immigrants...) were demonized. Even using the same ad agencies.

The party he is asking GLBT people to support is officially on record opposing any civil partnerships, adoption, anti-discrimination law, ending Don't Ask Don't Tell. He has not publicly asked either his party or any of its individual candidates to change their position. So he can feel fine but what about the rest of us?

 

Whuh? How about banging your own daughters?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 19&version=KJV

 

Where exactly in that passage does it say that Lot did NOT sin?

 

(My apologies to anyone who could interpret my above post with lumping homosexuality in with "unnatural relations" like incest. It sickens me that people still think that way.)

 

LMFAO! So a guy bangs his daughters and produces well known and well-thought-of grandchildren from the act (and apparently can't even remember doing it because he was so hammered). And it's never once condemned in the Bible. But that's ok, because it's also never explicitly endorsed?

Anyway, Brian says, "There isn't one instance in the Bible of homosexuality, sexual immorality, "unnatural relations", "indecents acts of perversion", etc. that is not labeled a sin. Not one." This is clearly a pretty big exception. It's the first one that came to my mind. I could probably dig up some more if I wanted to waste my time on it.

 

Deuteronomy 23:3

Looks like they were punished weren't they?

 

Awesome! That'll teach those treacherous sperm and ova (and all the future offspring it generated) to sin against God!

 

A groomsman at my wedding is one. In fact, he ran for the Oregon State Senate fully supported by the GOP (he lost, however). Therefore, I know quite a few of them.

No clue. My point stands, however. There are plenty of gay people who believe in the platform of the Republican Party more than the Democratic Party.

Probably for the same reasons clearly pro-gun, pro-life, anti-gay Democrats choose to emphasize other facets of their record.

Link? For example, I suspect Sen. Lindsay Graham (R, SC) is gay. However, he doesn't take any strident stances on gay marriage. Again, the point is that your sexuality doesn't define who you are. You can disagree with a political party on a major issue and still be a member of that party.

I'm not a Republican so you'll have to ask someone else who is.

 

I think it's a valid comparison. There are clearly Republicans that are anti-gay, but they are disproportionately covered in the media. My guess is the vast majority of Republicans are fine with homosexuality, as are pretty much all of my Republican friends.

The vast majority of muslims aren't terrorists, but we do notice the ones that are not or who support them. Rabidity breeds attention.

 

Again, you're asking Mr. Mehlman to define himself by his sexuality. What if he prefers to sleep with men, but doesn't have a strong drive to be with one? I know plenty of people who have preferences, but are mostly asexual.

Joe Sestak (the Democratic candidate for Senate from Pennsylvania) is a retired Admiral, yet belongs to a party that demonizes the military, or at best pays perfunctory lip service to it. Should he not "feel fine" about supporting a party that has so often accused members of the military as being bloodthirsty liars?

 

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