Alright, Phil told Kobe to be unselfish.I love it when Kobe passes. Hell, if he shot the ball 6 times I wouldn't careBut two shots? That's just stubborn
Still haven't answered my question, what does kobe have to do to not be criticised?and it was 3 shots :happy0144:
To not be critisized, Kobe needs to play unselfishly, but not to a point of stubbornessDon't get me wrong, because I think Kobe was the MVP of the first round of the playoffs. If next year he can bring his shot attempts down to 23 Per Game, and pass like he did this series, I won't critisize him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ May 27 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. When reading some people's posts, I am always reading about "competitiveness." I'm always reading about how Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan were the most competitive basketball players ever. I'm always reading about how LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, and Kevin Garnett are not competitve, and don't have that inner drive. Well it has now officially pissed me off. Why are Kobe and MJ so much more competitive than LeBron, KG, TMac, Shaq? I've seen all these guys play so many times it's not funny, and all of them are incredibally competitve. Unless you are in the locker room, unless you are studying a player on the bench, you won't know how competitive they really are. People say Kobe and MJ are competitive, and will kill to win simply because there have been various media reports about it, but why is it that no other NBA Players are that competitve? LeBron James willed a team to a Game 7 berth against the Detroit Pistons, trash talked and humiliated his friend in order to win a game, and did anything needed to be competitive. How is LeBron James not uber-competitive? Tracy McGrady played defense against a PF two years ago while scoring 30, 6, and 6 a game in the playoffs. In 2003, he set two franchise scoring records with back-spasms. He injures his ankle and back, and a family member dies, and suddenly when he doesn't play he's not that competitive? Come on guys! We could see how competitive MJ is, all his games playing sick, his scoring by himself, his trash talking. While Kobe Bryant is also incredibly competitive, and has that drive, he doesn't seem that much more serious than LeBron, than DWade, than Shaq, however the only thing people talk about it how competitive Kobe is. It makes nos sense 99% of the time, and it comes off as ignorant. 2. Defense. Can we stop this now? I'm tired of people talking about how Allen Iverson is a great defender because he averaged 2 Steals Per Game. I'm tired of people saying Kobe is a good defender because they see highlights of him guarding LeBron James in the 4th quarter. I'm tired of people saying Tim Duncan isn't a good defender because he has never won the Defensive Player of the Year award. Can we stop? Kobe is part of the boat that holds Tracy McGrady, Dwayne Wade, and Paul Pierce. These guys play defense at the end of games, when they need to, but don't put in a consistent effort. The All-Defensive Awards are misleading, because Media Members focus on Steal Stats and highlights for those awards. Your so called "experts" are always talking about how bad a defender Vinc Carter is, and how great a defender Dwayne Wade is, when in reality, the only difference is that DWade's inconsistent defense is marketed non-stop. In reality, DWade, Kobe, TMac, Paul Pierce, all turn up their defense late in games when they need to, and don't give it a consistent effort. Against Phoenix, Kobe Bryant guarded Raja Bell. Why didn't he guard Steev Nash if he's an All NBA Deffender?? DWade, despite a few steals on Vince Carter, got blown by on alot of occasions. Why do you think Shaq has fouled so many players this year? His teammates are getting beat defensively, Dwayne Wade being one of the major culprits. Same with Andre Igoudala, the man give up the middle of the lane more than any player on the NBA, and is only good when he has his man in a baseline situation. Guys, stop listening to the media and watch games. All the players mentioned above can be great defenders, but they don't do it on a consistent basis!3. The hating on LeBron James. From what I've gathered, people hate him because he has become so good in these palyoffs. Everyone is talking about how he plays no defense, and turns the ball over alot. From there, people say: "At 21, Kobe Bryant was playing defense and not commiting turnovers"Well, I'm sorry, but besides those two things LeBron does everything better than Kobe at that age, and if you don't believe so , you need to pick up some videos of Kobe at that time and compare him to the LeBron right now. The difference is staggerring. LeBron averages more points, assists, rebounds, and hit more game winning shots than the Kobe of then. Believe me, he's better.Also, even without comparison to Kobe, people say they hate LeBron because the media always makes too much of him. Because he gets all the calls. Well, WAKE THE HELL UP! All superstars get calls they don't deserve, and the only reason people even blame LeBron for this is because of that call against Washington. If LeBron never made that play, people would not be talking about that. Besides that play against Washington where he clearly travelled, LeBron has always got the same calls as all other superstars, people are just jelous he gets them at this age.And don't hate LeBron because the media likes him. They did the same thing with Vince, Grant Hill, even Kobe Bryant at one point. They are always going to make too much of someone, so again, get over it.From what I've seen, people hate LeBron because he is great, something I find to be ignorant and dispicable. Get over yourselfs people, LeBron James is the real deal, and if your ignorance is clouding that, then watch him play for one game, block out your accusations, and have a good timeThanks</div>i agree with what you said abotu people sayign that Lebron & those others are not competitive because they are very competitive.
The thing that I still don't understand is, if your losing by alot, not putting up any points are you still going to continue to pass the ball?Phil should've woken up because he obviously had no interest in winning that game.He didn't even call timeouts whatsoever.Kobe did what Phil told him to, it wasn't the right move but he followed directions.One bad game should not do much to Kobes career, 3 rings are looking good right about now.
i agree with that. Phil did not look very intrested in winning it at all. it was liek he couldn't wait to get out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ May 28 2006, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To not be critisized, Kobe needs to play unselfishly, but not to a point of stubbornessDon't get me wrong, because I think Kobe was the MVP of the first round of the playoffs. If next year he can bring his shot attempts down to 23 Per Game, and pass like he did this series, I won't critisize him.</div>I guarentee you, someone will nitpick. When you score 81 and people say "gosh, he only had 2 assists" you're always going to get criticised.and to this topic k-mart, kobe bryant and michael jordan are out of this word in competivenss. All you need to read is quotes from former teamates. I dont' senese that competitiveness from Tmac and lebron.
Maybe not from TMac, but how do you not sense it from LeBron? All you gotta do is watch trash talking Gilbert Arenas, his friend. Do you realize how bad the Cavs were in comparison to the Pistons, and how far they pushed them? Do you realize how much LeBron had to do with that?If that wasn't competitiveness, then I'm a chinaman
No-one is saying lebron is not competitive. I didn't. But he's not as competitive as kobe, kobe would have mood swings over a pick up game. He also rubbed teamates the wrong way when he took things too seriously.Apparently last season when we finished the season with 34 wins, kobe the next day started preparing for the next season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 28 2006, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It really doesn't matter because either way kobe was going to get criticised.Kobe in game 6 shot the ball 35 times, did everything in his power to win the game and they lost. He was called selfish. Game 7, he listens to his coach and his selfish and choked.Can anyone tell me what kobe has to do to not get criticised? Considering he got criticised for dropping 81 on CB's raptors.</div>No. Not at all. People were just saying that it wasnt as great as Wilt's 100. And it wasnt.
I know I never faulted him for only getting two assists. That's actually quite impressive. I bet when Wilt scored 100 he didn'tg et an assist, letalone pass once.
It was an amazing game for Kobe but David Robinson's 71 point game was more impressive...and Wilts...well he scored 19 more points than Kobe in his golden game.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ May 28 2006, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anything Kobe does he gets put down... so I don't worry about that anymore</div> Cry me a river.
How was David Robinson's more impressive? I heard he did it all off free-throws. I don't think he was hitting 20 footers all night long
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ May 28 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How was David Robinson's more impressive? I heard he did it all off free-throws. I don't think he was hitting 20 footers all night long</div>While I agree that D-Rob's effort certainly isn't more impressive, he didn't do it all on freebies. David went 18-25 from the charity stripe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ May 28 2006, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't David Robinson do it to win a scoring title?</div>Yes, he outscored Shaq by six points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ May 28 2006, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, he outscored Shaq by six points.</div>I don't see how you could say something like that is better than Kobe's 81.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ May 28 2006, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you could say something like that is better than Kobe's 81.</div>I didn't, a shooting guard scoring 81 is infinitely more impressive to me than a post guy. It's harder for guards to score as opposed to centers. Hell average field goal percentages could probably tell you that much. Hell, Kobe was almost flawless that game, but if you want to be negative about it...he did break his streak of 60+ consecutive made free throws...
