NBA.com offseason grade

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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    - B+

    Overall grade: B

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    I agree with that. We didn't do anything staggering this off season and their are a bunch of question marks out their (mainly whats happening with rudy, health of some players ect).
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Bayless, Pendy & Babbitt "dripping with potential"? What does this guy smoke?
     
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    If you just look at it as a "net asset" point-of-view and think what did we lose and what did we gain. Then factor in what players were over 10 years of experience and likely on the decline in productivity and what players are under 4 years in experience and still on the rise every year. You've got a pretty good net position to the team:

    Adds:
    Matthews
    Babbitt (Lottery)
    Elliot Williams
    Armon Johnson

    (less losses):
    Juwan Howard
    Patty Mills
    Travis Diener

    So that is a great start to net upgrades.

    Over 10 years and on the decline:
    Miller
    Camby
    Joel

    Under 4 years and still getting better:
    Oden
    Batum
    Bayless
    Cunningham
    Pendergraph
    Matthews
    (I won't include the draft picks since they haven't played yet to even have a baseline to get better from).

    So our off-season was pretty impressive to have better adds than losses, and to have a significant amount of guys still in the prime of the years when their productivity spikes compared to guys who are starting to trail off. Has to be a good grade when you're simply that much better than you looked this time last year.
     
  5. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    You need to add Webster to your list of losses.

    The Blazers didn't make any splashy moves, but the addition of Mathews should be a big improvement over what Rudy was able to supply off the bench last year. Still, the biggest improvement for the Blazers will only come with the health and potential further development of our core group of guys.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Ya, I think we will miss Marty this year.
     
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    I was looking at thet "offseason" grade. So thinking of it in terms of improvements from the end of the playoffs to the beginning of the next season.

    I'd still say Camby for Outlaw and Blake and Webster is still an overall upgrade over last season's start.
     
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    mgb Over-Nite Sensation

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    Didn't lose Webster during the off season so can't include him when grading the offseason.
     
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    We traded away Webster during the season?
     
  10. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't the offseason officially start after the draft?
     
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    I like your analytical thought process.

    However I would argue the players declining are Miller and Camby
    The players with projected improvements are Oden, Batum, and Bayless

    I wouldn't include Joel since I believe his career is over. I wouldn't include Dante or Pendy since I believe they will always be end of the bench players and irrelevant to the performance of the team. I wouldn't include Matthews since his rookie year was such a massive improvement over his projected performance; he overachieved so projecting an improvement beyond that overachievement should not be the expectation.

    But still having two main rotation players declining but three improving is a net benefit. Yet the performance of this team ultimately comes down to luck of injuries in my eyes, Roy being my biggest concern while Oden being the most visible to the public. If we can get lucky with no major injuries this team will be an outside contender.
     
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    Hmmm...we traded him for the rights to the pick that gave us Babbitt, so I guess by that logic you shouldn't count Luke as a gain. ;)
     
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    I'd agree to an extent on most of this.

    I did apply a general "rule of thumb" analysis to include guys like Miller and Camby, and I suppose anyone could make the arguments on a one-by-one basis as to whether they are really faultering noticably from last year to the next.

    I was wondering myself whether to include Pendy and Matthews for reasons you mention. But I do think Cunningham has a place to play some decent (10-15) minutes, and he's going directly into that Soph season where guys with his amount of college and pro experience tend to surge ahead in production, so I can't just discount this statistical probability - even though admittedly it could all of an increase from 4 pts / 2.5 reb to 6 pts / 4 reb or something like that given his small minutes.

    Agree Matthews is tough because again, you look at the history of a player given his four years at Marquette and then his rookie season and would think this upcoming season will be statistically his increase in productivity given the fact he is learning the game and getting better with every adjustment he makes to the game. But will he be less productive playing for the Blazers than he had as a rookie on a Jazz team that didn't have the depth as this Blazer team. I chose to still include Matthews because I think the fact that he won't get worse as far as PER or statistical Per minute stats as he's only going to learn more and rise given more NBA minutes. His overacheivment from expectation doesn't matter. Ginobili overachieved after he was drafted as well and it doesn't mean he got worse becuase suddenly that overachieving had to regress into the worse player everyone exected. He's still the same guy as played that rookie season with the Jazz, only getting better now that he's adjusting four years of college ball into the NBA game.
     
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    So we are supposedly going to miss a shooter who couldn't shoot? Martell's jumper was pretty. Too bad it hardly ever went in when you needed it to. He also had no ability to put the ball on the floor and if he put all of his ability in defending, was an average defender.

    Miss him? Not really. In fact, I look at him moving on as a closing the door on a bad era of Blazer basketball.
     
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    My mistake.
     

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