iverson is no exception, he needs to shutup and play every single game in the season. The team the sixers got is good, and has potential NOW, but then again there are just much better teams out there. He even took the the sixers to the finals with not that great of a team. Shut up and play ivy until the obvious is displayed. KG deserves an exception due to his loyalty and consistant great play without missing much games due to talk and not just injury.Overall about this issue... players should come here to play for the love of the game. Demanding a trade is accepting deafeat.
I think it depends on the situation. I mean I absolutely hate when players whine (especially at a young age) about their team. Like Steve Francis saying he wasn't gunna play in Vancover and having his agent immediately work a trade out of there (before he even played a damn game).But a guy like Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson - they should be allowed to given their situations and skill levels. I mean a guy like KG/AI should be able to because they are GREAT players and give their all every night. The teams lack of success is not their fault, it's their organizations (especially Minnesota). Paul Pierce too because he is a proven ballplayer who has been an All-Star for the last 5 seasons and he is in the prime of his career on a 33 win young team with lack of direction.
I'm not buying this crap that guys like KG/AI should be allowed to demand a trade and others can't. That's bullsh** and if your going to have it one way, then you should just allow everyone to do it. But me I'm against anyone demanding a trade, I don't care who you are. There's only going to be one team that wins a ring, so are you telling me those other 29 teams that don't win, their superstars are allowed to demand a trade out because their not having success?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (S_Guard @ May 29 2006, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>iverson is no exception, he needs to shutup and play every single game in the season. The team the sixers got is good, and has potential NOW, but then again there are just much better teams out there. He even took the the sixers to the finals with not that great of a team. Shut up and play ivy until the obvious is displayed. KG deserves an exception due to his loyalty and consistant great play without missing much games due to talk and not just injury.Overall about this issue... players should come here to play for the love of the game. Demanding a trade is accepting deafeat.</div>Wait, so its not alright for Iverson to "demand a trade," but it is alright for KG, even though they have both been loyal to their franchises? Makes no sense... Also, Iverson has not demanded a trade... he's BEGGING Billy King NOT to trade him.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 29 2006, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not buying this crap that guys like KG/AI should be allowed to demand a trade and others can't. That's bullsh** and if your going to have it one way, then you should just allow everyone to do it. But me I'm against anyone demanding a trade, I don't care who you are. There's only going to be one team that wins a ring, so are you telling me those other 29 teams that don't win, their superstars are allowed to demand a trade out because their not having success?</div>I'm pretty sure a lot of people (or atleast me) meant that AI and KG should have some say to where they will be traded if their respective franchises CHOOSE to trade them simply because of their loyalty. Obviously, I'm sure neither of them want to go (both have publicly stated that), but if their teams decide its time to rebuild, I'm sure they'll get some say into what kind of a situation they will be traded to (i.e. Shaq when he was traded to Miami).
Well, there are two sides to it. I could agree with both to some extent.The players should have a certain right to option out of a bad situation. They might have liked what they started with, but ended up with a completely different team down the road. It is business. Their game is business. The team they play for is a business. Their contract is a business deal, and they should make smart decisions with who they play for, who coaches them, how long they play for a team that has no shot, etc.On the other hand, players really shouldn't "demand" a trade. It looks really bad to the entire organization... from the individual player, to the other players, to the coaching staff, the GM, etc. BUT if you can't handle things maturely, that might be your only choice.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (S_Guard @ May 29 2006, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>iverson is no exception, he needs to shutup and play every single game in the season. The team the sixers got is good, and has potential NOW, but then again there are just much better teams out there. He even took the the sixers to the finals with not that great of a team. Shut up and play ivy until the obvious is displayed. KG deserves an exception due to his loyalty and consistant great play without missing much games due to talk and not just injury.Overall about this issue... players should come here to play for the love of the game. Demanding a trade is accepting deafeat.</div>Where does it say here that i said AI is not loyal..... alll i said is that he needs to play every single game. and i said he is just no exception IF he wanted to be traded cause someone brought him up.Don't bring up iverson in this thread then otherwise it just goes wit the flow. I aint gonna front i didnt know if iverson demanded coming into this thread which is why i never said he did.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 30 2006, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, so its not alright for Iverson to "demand a trade," but it is alright for KG, even though they have both been loyal to their franchises? Makes no sense... Also, Iverson has not demanded a trade... he's BEGGING Billy King NOT to trade him.I'm pretty sure a lot of people (or atleast me) meant that AI and KG should have some say to where they will be traded if their respective franchises CHOOSE to trade them simply because of their loyalty. Obviously, I'm sure neither of them want to go (both have publicly stated that), but if their teams decide its time to rebuild, I'm sure they'll get some say into what kind of a situation they will be traded to (i.e. Shaq when he was traded to Miami).</div>Shaq and Kobe IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT it was mainly cause they couldn't get along. If these 2 stars stayed 2gether not liking each other...Looking at the results of the finals with the pistons u can't blame the situation of demand. SBut as i said before "Demanding a trade is accepting defeat, even if it leads to the greater good of each opposing individuals desire" hmmm i think ill copyright this. :happy0144:
As long as you have a good reason for demanding a trade I think its ok. If you dont have a reason you are just betraying your team and should have to pay consequences for it. It is overused but shouldnt be. A player should be loyal to his team and unless there is a good reason behind their demands a player should not be able to demand a trade.
The way I think it's acceptable:If you've given everything to your franchise, you've been there awhile, you are coming out of your prime, and you want to win. I think it would then be stupid if you didn't do anything about ti
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (S_Guard @ May 30 2006, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where does it say here that i said AI is not loyal..... alll i said is that he needs to play every single game. and i said he is just no exception IF he wanted to be traded cause someone brought him up.Don't bring up iverson in this thread then otherwise it just goes wit the flow. I aint gonna front i didnt know if iverson demanded coming into this thread which is why i never said he did.</div>My fault... after reading the bold statement, I took it as you thought Iverson had publicly demanded a trade.
