Do we need to trade for another big?

I did. It was filled with unfounded conjecture and false "facts", all while you told other posters to "just keep drinking your dad's vodka and keep your mouths shut until you learn the NBA", making you look foolish... boy.

bigs, smalls, guards, forwards. Semantics. Outlaw certainly isn't a "big". The obvious message of your lame post was "teams don't trade bigs for smalls". Which we've experienced is wrong.

 

He got caught and had to try and justify his way out.

Epic fail.

It happens to all of us occasionally.

 

Did you wear ear plugs at school growing up?

 

Durant is 6'11". He' ain't a "big". What's your point?

He, the one that supposedly said "generally", is also the guy who put a concrete number of 5% in his post. I don't need to list a plethora of trades to show that it is incredibly ignorant and foolish to say:

while calling other posters knuckleheads and saying they need to learn the NBA.

 

You're right. I did get caught calling out your faulty "logic". I use the word logic very generously here.

Oh, look at you. Trying to use that hip, new interwebs language those young kids are using these days. How cute.

Some of you more (a lot more) than others.

 

"Do we need to trade for another big?"

WHY oh WHY didn't we keep Juwan Howard???

The biggest mistake of the summer.

 

just for reference... while those are their listed heights, Camby's 6'11 was his barefoot measured height at his pre-draft. For some reason Outlaw's predraft stuff isn't listed at the usual spots, but (for what it's worth) I recall him being measured at 6'7.5 barefoot with a 7'2 wingspan. There used to be a link that I could pass along that listed him with other guys from that draft but it seems to have dried up.

... if TO is a Big, then what is Dante? He's certainly bigger then Travis, he bangs/boards better. He logged nearly 100% of his minutes at PF last year. 2nd time I've posed this question in this thread... why is DC as a Big not worthy of a mention while Pendergraph is? Oh and Babbitt is at least as much of a Big as Travis too

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Call me crazy, but I'm ok with cutting Pendergraph to add Dampier. If it were 4 years ago and we were still a lottery team, I'd hold on to Jeff because he has a little upside.

But I want this team to shoot for 60+ wins. When you are going for that many wins the balance shifts in favor of proven (but declining) veterans over marginal (but somewhat improving) youth.

Dampier ain't great, but I'm much, much more comfortable with him playing meaningful minutes this year than Pendergraph. He's a better shot blocker, defender and rebounder, and he's actually big enough to defend other true centers. Pendergraph has a great motor and all, but he's too small to guard 5's and too slow to guard 4's.

 

Dampier is going to sign with us so he can play in November? Then he goes to 4th string by the end of the year? Not seeing that happening. Even if we (some fans) might think Oden will be out "indefinetley", I doubt Dampier is willing to take that gamble when he has other options. Pendergraph is obviously not an offensive juggernaut, , but if you are going to judge him on summer league then look at how he rebounded and sets screens for 4 minutes a half. Because that's all he is going to do during the season. He can hit an open 8 footer. (Which Dampier can not)

What Pendergraph can't do is create his own shot. But when the hell will that ever be needed. We don't ask Joel to do that. Now of course Pendergraph can't block shots like Joel nor can he defend like Joel, but he can mix it up for 4 minutes a half. (That leaves LMA playing center for 10 minutes a game and Camby with only 30) We are fine for a month or so.

 

dude's predraft size and athletic measurements were nearly identical to Al Horford's. A fair criticism (IMO) would be to say he lacks in skill and is too aggressive/a foul machine, but dude does have the size to defend either frontcourt spot (especially backups) and is not lacking foot speed or explosiveness.

Last year his PER was 12.1 which isn't horrible for a rookie coming off a major surgery (hip). For reference, Juwan Howard's was at 10.0 last season. I hold out hope for him being a serviceable backup and hopefully developing beyond that

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I obviously don't know Dampier personally, but judging by his on-court demeanor he seems like a get-along kind of guy. He's 35 and looking for one last paycheck and a little more playoff excitement before he packs it in. He's pretty much in the exact same position as Juwan Howard was a year or two ago, except I think he's got a little more serviceability left in the tank, and he offers defense/rebounding instead of offense.
My guess is he goes where the most money is. Secondarily is the likelihood of winning. I'd bet playing time comes in third place. That seemed to be Mutombo's rationale a few years ago when he was basically in the same position.
I think the Blazers can probably net him if they want based on money and winning.

 

Yeah, it's really not that bad for a first season. Although you have to remember he got that PER playing garbage minutes.

I think it was summer league that got me a little more down on him. I just didn't think he was that dominant of a defensive presence in there. Better than many, but not really dominant.

I'm not passionate about dumping Pendergraph. I just don't think he has the defensive chops I want for somebody in his role. As this team (hopefully) moves toward contending, I'd like to see it fill out more of the smaller role-player stopgaps with proven veterans. I want guys in those roles to just not lose us playoff games with youngster mistakes and let our main guys carry the load.

 

Brutal, offensively, but effective on the boards. He ended up being the 2nd leading rebounder in the Vegas League. If I can get rebounding and hustle out of my 4th string C on a 2nd-round contract, I'm good with it until he proves he isn't up to the task.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2010/stats/

 

summer league? really???

Qyntel Woods & Nicolas Batum

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Batum only really played in one Summer League. I believe this was Jeff's second.

Qyntel (and Bayless) dominated in SL, but it was on offense.

I don't put a huge amount of stock in SL for most players. But when you have a guy who was picked in the second round, he's had two summer leagues and didn't really show that much defensive dominance, and he's got a -10 on 82games.com (which indicates he gave up a lot on defense when he played, despite the 12 PER), it's not really too hasty to give up on him.

Most 31st picks in the draft don't pan out. He might still, but given where the team is and what he's shown me so far, I'd rather go with a veteran for his spot.

 

Im surprised nobody has mentioned who I think would be a great fit for you....DJ Mbenga

He has been buried on the Lakers depth chart and is itching to prove himself worthy of many more minutes which I think he can do. He is stronger than Oden and has a blackbelt in Karate. His offensive game SUCKS but he is a beast on defense and rebounding. On top of that you can get him REAL cheap and it isnt a risk at all. I truly believe he will outplay his next contract if givin the chance

 

Lol @ stronger than Oden