considered a good guy and teamate when he's record suggets otherwise. Let's recap his career1- Problems with Penny, leaves Orlando in 19962- Problems with Van exel, he gets traded3- Jones/Cambell traded because shaq decides he wants a shooter4- Del harris is fired5- Problems with kobe, fails to get him traded6- Problems with Van gundy, replaced by Pat rileySo why is shaq considered a good guy? When he's past and even present problems suggest his a cancer? Is Shaq the innocent one and all the people he's had fueds with just don't like Shaq?I find this highly intriguing that Shaq's debacles in the past have been hidden.
Good point, but a lot of the time he's put in a bad situation, and it just happens to fall that way.I also wonder why people never talk of it. and if they did, it's in a good light
Ill play devils advocate:1. I dont really remember the issue clearly between Shaq and Penny. But I thought that Penny had the issue with Shaq, he didnt want to be the man in Orlando and wanted Shaq to stick around. Correct me if im wrong.2. Van Exel, again I dont have good memories of that issue either.3. As for Eddie Jones/Campbell, I remember Shaq calling out Eddie Jones a choker for blowing big chances in the playoffs. But that wasnt the reason why he left, he was part of a trade for Kobe. It wasnt like Shaq forced him out.4. Was Harris really fired by Shaq?5. Shaq and Kobe has been well documented by the media. Failed to get him traded? Shaq wanted out.6. I dont think he was the sole reason why SVG got fired or resigned (depends on how you look at it). It was more so of Gary Payton, imo. Payton doesnt respect SVG like he does with Riley who has an unmatched aura about him.
In general Shaq is a good guy and in general his teammates like him...he's a HOFer and 33 years old, he's bound to have scuffles with teammates over his career.
i don't think shaq had del harris fired and shaq wanted to leave the lakers. i also don't think shaq had stan van gundy fired. i think this is just lakers fans hating on shaq because he's about to win a title with a team that isn't the lakers.
How can you say that his past proves him as a cancer??? He wins everywhere he goes and that is the defenition of a cancer. Notice after all of those moves, the team happenned to get better or not lose a beat at all. What Shaq wants, Shaq gets. Thats really how it is...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ May 31 2006, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can you say that his past proves him as a cancer??? He wins everywhere he goes and that is the defenition of a cancer. Notice after all of those moves, the team happenned to get better or not lose a beat at all. What Shaq wants, Shaq gets. Thats really how it is...</div>Did you really just say that "winnng everywhere you go" makes you a cancer? haha
"1- Problems with Penny, leaves Orlando in 1996"It wasn't really Penny. Shaq hated how everyone blamed him when they lost instead of guys llike Nick Anderson who had that famous 4 missed free throws in the Finals. He felt betrayed by Orlando. Penny was going to get more money than him. Shaq though he deserved more money(which he did), and Orlando didn't want to give it to him so he simply left.2- Problems with Van exel, he gets tradedI don't think that's why Van Exel got traded at all.3- Jones/Cambell traded because shaq decides he wants a shooterAs someone said Shaq called him EJJ a choker for missing big shots. Shaq never really though Elden CAmpbell was a good guy to compliment him. 4- Del harris is fired He wasn't very well respected at all and noone on the team respected him. Shaq was the only reason he got fired. Just so noone brings up Kurt Rambis who was the Lakers coach for a short time, he got fired because he was on Kobes nutsack instead of telling him what he did wrong.5- Problems with kobe, fails to get him tradedHonestly who hasn't had problems with Kobe on the Lakers? Phil Jackson eve nwent as far as calling him uncoachable.6- Problems with Van gundy, replaced by Pat rileyShaq, GP, Mourning these guys want to win now. They wanted someone like Pat Riley who is one of the most resspected coaches in the league. Shaq plays better under coaches like that (Phil JAckson as well.) I mean just look at the effort Shaq was been putting these playoffs. If SVG and Riley tell you the same exact thing, it woulod mean so uch more if Riley said it.For all of the moves responsible, Shaq is known to play a mini GM role anyway. He likes to help co nstruct the team.
I'll chime in since I followed Van Exel and to reiterate what everyone said, wasn't traded because of Shaq. It was more of his own fault, the guy labeled himself a cancer in LA because of his whining and continued it in Denver where he finally got himself traded to Dallas. So I can't see why your putting it on Shaq, when Van Exel played his own part in his departure.
how can anyone hate shaq? i don't understand why this is even a topic. shaq has had a positive impact on every team he's been on. he's been to the finals with every team he's been on; the magic, lakers and most likely the heat. how can you blame all those things on shaq? this is probably the stupidest topics i have ever come across. uhhhhhhh it's shaq's fault del harris got fired uhhhhh it's shaq's fault he left the magic blahh blahh blahhh. give it up guy.
Great explanation guys but the fact is that Shaq did have problems with Van exel. And he got traded. I guess shaq wasn't to blame . Shaq obviously had some input in the traded. Shaq did try to get Kobe traded, i think it was for marion. But it didn't go through. As anypoint said yesterday, Shaq blamed Van gundy for game 7 ecf. Shaq obviously didn't like him and he decides to leave. Guess shaq wasn't to blame It's amazing how everyone forgets about these facts when discussiing shaq's career. This usually gets sweeped under the floor.
nyk4life.. i can name numerous reasons why people hate shaq as a PLAYER. but hes not that bad outside the arena.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Great explanation guys but the fact is that Shaq did have problems with Van exel. And he got traded. I guess shaq wasn't to blame .</div> Van Exel got himself traded. Why are you trying to put most of it on Shaq? Also, someone said it best, some Lakers fans are really hoping Shaq doesn't win the title this year and you were one of them in our aim conversation.
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">"I got hurt on company time, so I’ll heal on company time"</span>Shaq avoided surgery the entire offseason, and missed the first part of the season because of it. Furthermore, it prevented him from ever getting in shape. Lakers got a five seed and lost to the Spurs to end their run of three straight titles.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 31 2006, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>considered a good guy and teamate when he's record suggets otherwise. Let's recap his career1- Problems with Penny, leaves Orlando in 19962- Problems with Van exel, he gets traded3- Jones/Cambell traded because shaq decides he wants a shooter4- Del harris is fired5- Problems with kobe, fails to get him traded6- Problems with Van gundy, replaced by Pat rileySo why is shaq considered a good guy? When he's past and even present problems suggest his a cancer? Is Shaq the innocent one and all the people he's had fueds with just don't like Shaq?I find this highly intriguing that Shaq's debacles in the past have been hidden.</div>LMAO I love how biased Lakers fans and Kobe fans are. It seems like all your doing here is hating on Shaq. I loved how you made it sound like Shaq had this big plan to get Kobe out of LA. LOL Shaq wanted out. I dont know where you get that from. It was also because Shaq wasn't gonna be one of Kobe's little bitches and let Kobe try and take all the spotlight like he wants to. It was also obviously Kobe because Shaq has proven he can play w/ another star in Dwyane Wade. LOL plus who was it that made Phil Jackson leave??? LOL it obviously wasn't Shaq was it. LOL all your obviously doing s hating Shaq like you were hating the Suns last weak and calling them all punks but Kobe "pure class"
If this is all true, then it is forgotten because Shaq has won everywhere he's been. He reached the NBA Finals with the Orlando Magic before losing to Hakeem Olajuwon and the Rockets... he won three championships with the Lakers, and he was the reason for those three championships, and he is about to reach the NBA Finals with the Heat (barring a major comeback by Detroit) and might win a ring without Kobe.That is why all this is sweeped under the rug, assuming it is true (I don't buy all of it).
I dont like how people stereotype Laker/Kobe fans, but really arent that hating on shaq.I love shaq, he was one of my favorite players before, he still really is. I hope the Heat win because I want to see Shaq get four or even more in the future.I guess people are biased against Laker fans.Just one thing in response to iversonfan's post. If phil jackson didnt leave the lakers cause of shaq, then why did he come back?
No one is knocking Shaq's career, although some of it is overblown. Shaq wasn't the only reason for the LA titles. Kobe was still an ALL-NBAer and Phil is arguably the greatest coach of all time. He did have problems with Penny (who was a lot better than most people know, surgery hurt his career a helluva lot more than losing Shaq did), and I'd imagine it played a role in his departure. However, I'd tend to put more blame on Orlando's sometimes inept management. There is documentation for Shaq demanding for Kobe to be traded a while back, I know I saw it on ESPN's SportsCentury about Kobe. Say what you want about his leavng LA, but he was the one who demanded to be traded.I personally don't care for him because he makes millions of dollars a year and still isn't motivated enough to stay in shape. Hell, they would have made the Finals last year if he had the stamina to play in the second half every game--Wade injury or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ELiiiTE @ May 31 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont like how people stereotype Laker/Kobe fans, but really arent that hating on shaq.I love shaq, he was one of my favorite players before, he still really is. I hope the Heat win because I want to see Shaq get four or even more in the future.I guess people are biased against Laker fans.Just one thing in response to iversonfan's post. If phil jackson didnt leave the lakers cause of shaq, then why did he come back?</div>LMAO why would Phil Jackson have left because of Shaq??? Shaq was already gone when Phil Jackson left lol. he left after Shaq so yes it was because of Kobe lol. In response to why he's back maybe because he wanted to see if things would be different in LA and by that I mean they paid him a ton of money. Oh yeah btw elite I dont mean all Kobe/Lakers fans are biased but a whole lot of them are. Dont even try denying that. They all think Kobe is God and that hes perfect. I mean cmon Ive seen Kobe fans call him a class act. Thats the biggest bull sh*t ive ever heard. I mean he has one incredible season(not saying he never had good ones before) and I see Kobe fans saying hes as goos as MJ was
