Using Kyle Korver as Ray Allen is clever

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  1. truebluefan

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    After making the most obnoxious title to a blog ever, I want to talk about why this is such a good idea. After all, each year a new idea comes up that has fan trimbling of excitement (Tyrus Thomas taking jumpshots, anyone?).

    But this is legit cause for optimism. In the NBA, perception is often far away from reality. For example, Joakim Noah and Anderson Varejao does not play the same way, just because they have long fluffy hair. Another example, which is the entirely point of this thread, is Kyle Korver and the idea that he's just a spot-up shooter.

    While Korver is an excellent spot-up shooter, he's always been able to dribble his way into a shot as well as move without the basketball. Surprinsingly, head coach Tom Thibodeau is the first coach to actively try running plays for Korver that requires these abilities. At age 29, Korver will have the most responsibility he's ever had offensively in his career. So far, it looks like the right call. Yes, averaging 16.3 points in just over 24 minutes per night in preseason means as much as me calling Jessica Alba in an attempt to talk her into marrying me. In other words, no one takes it seriously.

    But what cannot be ignored here is how Thibodeau has used Korver. Not only has he made him run off back screens, curls and let him cut. He's also given him freedom to run a play which Richard Hamilton from Detroit found a lot of success with. Immediately after coming off a hard back screen, and arriving at the baseline of either side, Korver receives the ball and the post player makes a hard cut towards the basket. Hamilton made this play famous, since the defensive attention directed at him, frequently left Ben Wallace open for alley-oops. So not only is Korver now in scoring position, he's also in a position to be a playmaker. So far, not much has been made of that play, mostly because Carlos Boozer has been injured, and the gelling process is still active. But that's a play the Bulls can go to in the regular season. There are very few ways to defend it, all of which requires a double-team.

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  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Why hasn't Korver been able to get sustained starter's minutes elsewhere?
     
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    Probably because his punked schedule wouldn't allow for it
     
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    Hahaha am I the only one who thinks Korver doesnt look like Ashton Kutcher? I think that statement is made because they both have nice hair that falls over their foreheads lol
     
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    I have wondered the same thing. Don't know the answer to that.
     
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    Actually, he has... he played 30mpg or more three seasons with the Sixers. Isn't that starter level minutes?
     
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    borderline

    Seems like 36+ is starter's minutes.
     
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    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

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    I would advocate a less arbitrary measure of what is a starter.

    Ronald Dupree (III) is a starter. Ronald Dupree played 4.5 mpg for Seattle(?) in 07-08. Thus 4.5 mpg makes you a starter.

    Argue with that, bitches.
     
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    2006-2007 30.9 MPG, 1 GS
    2005-2006 31.3 MPG, 43 GS
    2004-2005 32.5 MPG, 57 GS

    Maybe the Games Started column in the stats sheet might determine if the guy is a starter.

    :lol:
     
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    ^^^ notice the decline in his starts over three seasons. He started 2 games in 2+ seasons for Utah - couldn't crack the starting lineup. That's the part that makes me wonder. The guy seems good enough to start every game and play 36+ MPG. That's my point.
     
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    I can't, the logic is utterly without fault :clap:

    Give me 2000 words on why this is a more or less valid approach than 36 minutes.

    Did you know there is a corolary to the law of large numbers called the law of small numbers?
     
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    I can be concise. The START in games STARTed.

    ;)
     
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    To add to my thesis... why did Korver only get 17 minutes last night?
     
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    He seems to be the first official "player in the doghouse" of the Thibodeau era, doesn't he?
     
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    Or in the doghouse in Philly and Utah, too.

    I don't get it. The guy should start here, IMO, and be given the green light to shoot.
     
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    How about because he is mediocre to lousy on defense? How about because it is a lot easier to run off of screens and hit long jumpers when you have fresh legs. If he only plays 20 minutes a night he is fresh and other teams can't game plan as easily for him. If he plays 30 minutes a night, other teams target him.
     

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