ROY comments on our offense - is there a problem here?

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Juan Dixon was the best 6'1" 160lbs SG that money could buy. Is he even in the league anymore? Nevermind, I jus read that he was suspended by FIBA for steroid use.

I love his wife, so sexy!

 

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Dixon was a much better off-the-ball player than Roy! Bring back Juan!!!!

 

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You joke, but I bet there are a couple tools in this shed that agree!!!!

 

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Or, all of those stats say that the 1-4 set and ISO for Roy just became easy to defend and teams were able to keep Roy from getting to the hoop. So, it isn't "any way you slice it". That offense is predictable, and it gets shut down.

I want Roy to be highly utilized and get a lot of good shots. I don't want to watch this team keep trying the 1-4 set that teams can easily shut down.

 

Okay, I merged three of the Roy threads. Sorry to those of you who started them, but we needed to consolidate.

 

That is really disappointing.

 

No problem with you moving them, but could you put a different thread title on it, please?

Never mind. I see that you did consolidate them under an appropriate title.

 

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Please, that most certainly was not the case. Houston did not shut down Brandon in the playoffs - and if you actually saw the games last year - it was pretty clear that he did not handle the ball as much - which is exactly what Roy said in that interview about going back some to the offense before. If my observation matches what Roy tells you and the numbers back it up - I find it very hard to take seriously the "offense was shut down" stuff. When Brandon got to play like Brandon - even last year, he was a handful to stop.

Again with the nonsense about easy to shutdown. This team would not be as efficient offensively as they were if it was easy to shut down. The Blazers won at almost .700 rate in 2008-2009 and despite being very green and having really bad series by Blake, Aldridge and the Centers took Houston to 6 games, the same team that actually was the hardest for Lakers to get over during their championship run. And that very same "easy to shutdown" offense was 7th best in efficiency last year despite the fact that it featured Juwan Howard and Hip Replacement rookie for most of the Center minutes with Roy missing significant time.

The numbers do not lie. This team's offense is not as easy to shut down as you proclaim - you guys exhibit the classic case of "confirmation bias" - you pick and choose anecdotal evidence that fits your pre-conceived beliefs without looking at the data and consider the situation. The Blazers playing some games without Roy, and some games with a one legged Roy while also playing a once legged Batum and without Oden/Pryzbilla took the Suns to 6 games, while the Spurs playing with all 3 super-stars and Pop's beautiful offense were swept by the same Suns team.

Look at the data first, reach the conclusions later. Otherwise, you are just shoveling propaganda.

 

Re: Why Roy likes a slow game where he controls the ball... and why we should too.

Berry picking is seasonal isn't it?

 

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Bravo!

Very good post. You sir are repped.

 

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Why are you using the Suns series as an example. Strange coming from somebody getting upset about "confirmation basis".

Just because you're having a causality issue doesn't make you right.

 

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Neither were considered stars on the level that certain poster was comparing. Dumars was about as much a star as Hamilton was. The Worm was a solid rebounder, but hardly a star in breath of the guys that were listed.

 

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Not at that time he wasn't, for sure.

 

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I did not. I showed you the efficiency for the entire year. I just pre-countered the usual "it is shut down in the playoffs" much rehashed argument.

We have data from over 2 years now that shows that the Blazers offense is very hard to shut-down. That's the efficiency information I am talking about.

 

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can it be more fried than it already is? (J/K, could not resist)

 

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Actually, you showed data that says the way offensive efficiency is calculated, the Blazers had a pretty good number. We've been through this before where we discussed how offensive rebounding helped to inflate that number.

And we also have data showing that Brandon had a more difficult time scoring last year. The stats show that Brandon didn't get to the hoop as much last year, and my observations say that the 1-4 set worked much better 2 years ago than it did last year. If your observations say that is because he was playing off the ball more, that is reasonable, I just disagree and the stats don't prove either way.

 

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Given that Brandon pretty much said himself that the offensive scheme was changed last year to accommodate 'Dre (the way this thread started) - I am not really sure what there is to discuss - unless you want to come out and say that Roy is telling tall tales.

 

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And the team was drastically different as well. There are many, many factors that could have impacted the change in efficiency or Roy's change in shot selection.

You found some stats that you like, and are now claiming causation where it is far from obvious. In your own post, you claim that you can't point to offensive rebounding being part of the difference because we only collected 147 less ORB. You failed to mention that 147 ORB is ~15% for the year. That is a lot, and could very possibly be the difference in efficiency.

It is funny that you blow off other people's observations as confirmation bias, but your use of the stats is pretty suspect.