You can attribute that to Adam's sin way back in the Garden of Eden. That said, the Bible is extremely clear on acts of homosexuality. In all actuality, it's really moot for me to think it would be cruel of God to do anything. He'll do exactly what He wants.
Yeah, there was some pretty heavy-duty punishments enacted back in Old Testament times. I do know that Jesus said he brought the New Covenant. He became the sin sacrifice by dying on a cross. It's just a matter if I (or any of us) decide to choose Him, or not. Trust me, I lived much of my life in selfish, ongoing, sinful behaviors. The life I have today is incomparable. There's absolutely no question in my mind that I'd be dead by now had I not chosen Christ.
Actually, it does make sense. God has given us all the ability to choose Him. If homosexuality is not a choice - ever, then God naturally becomes a liar.
your god seems like a real bastard, if you ask me. Because some nitwit a long time ago made a mistake, children are born with disabilities, or people can't have kids? What a real tool.
Just out of curiosity, ABM, have you watched Religulous? It's a good film (although it does drag on in parts).
I've probably tortured many of my responses here and in other threads in which I've attempted to explain myself. For that, I'm sorry. That said, I've said many of the same things about God that you've just related. However, there was a point in my life when I quit running from Him. For that, I'm forever grateful...and I mean that sincerely and wholeheartedly.
You're equating choice with innate. It's my innate nature to prefer women. But I have the ability to have relations with men. I chose not to, because it's not my preference. Since I purposely left the other thread because it was turning into a big circular argument, I don't know if you answered this. But what do you say about couples who don't have sexual relations for procreation? Or have sexual relations that aren't of the intercourse kind (fellatio, a handy or up the pooper)? Are they sinners? You seem to be setting the precedent that all sex must be done for procreation and nothing else. Because if that's what god intended (and why homosexuality is wrong), then doing it for other reasons would seemingly be wrong too. if it's not your thing (it's not my thing), I get that. But for someone who doesn't have a problem with it, you sure are arguing a lot about it. How does it hurt YOU personally? Is it because she was Christian? What if she wasn't, and just was saying stupid things about gays or whatever? What if she said she refused to serve Christians or Muslims or Jews? Those ARE choices you make in life. I cannot, under any circumstances "chose" to be gay. I can, however, chose to be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or whatever. Seems like those are more likely life style choices, and in a lot of cases, those people sin a LOT more than a gay person does.
I am happy that you have found some kind of inner peace, or whatever. I'm being sincere when I say that. I found my "peace" when I came to the realization that judging others, based on a book that was written thousands of years before anyone I know was born, was silly. Basing how I view others through the eyes of people who on one hand told me to love my neighbor and (in essence) not throwing stones and on the other hand telling me that XYZ are sins (and in some cases, really stupid out-dated and illogical things would be sins), and on the third hand, "love the sinner, hate the sin", just became tiresome. There is far too much hatred coming out of religion and religious people (who have ruined it for the majority of normal religious people).
Like I said above, I've probably tortured some of my explanations. Obviously, I did this one. Nonetheless, the Bible is unequivocal regarding homosexual behavior. Therefore, how can God "create" someone to be gay when He clearly states that the behavior is a sin?
Why was he chasing you? Does god chase all sinners, or just you? Why didn't he just turn you into a pillar of salt or a sloth or something easy to catch? How far did you run? Didn't your legs get tired, or were you in really good shape from all the running? Religion sure is complicated, I guess. barfo
The Bible is also clear that judging others is sinful. It states that we're "all" sinners in one manner or another. Only God is the true judge. Thankfully, though, there's Jesus as an advocate (go-between), should we choose Him.
Oh we definitely choose to be gay, I mean it's loads of fucking fun. It's so we can get the fa-bomb dropped on us, or just heard it said multiple times a day by people (hell, if I play a game or go to an uncensored forum I can hear or read it up to 50-100 times in a few hours, imagine how many times young kids who choose to be gay hear it). It's to hear things like, "wow how fucking gay", or "you're such a fucking queer". It's so we can be assaulted and raped just for being gay, but hey definitely our choice. We choose to be gay so we, along with other minorities, can be society's punchline in all media related things. Who doesn't want to be the fabulous sidekick on a tv show? Reinforce those stereotypes by loving and being involved in fashion or being an auto mechanic in your favorite show or movie? Man, we only dream of that growing up - waiting to choose so we can experience such prestigious roles. JK Rowling actually chose to make Dumbledore gay after the books were done just because she realized hey, what a fucking outstanding thing that would be and not because parent groups would have gone apeshit if she had dropped the "D's a capital g Gay" in the books. Those young boys that killed themselves? Definitely chose to be gay, but only mentioned it because they knew they were going to off themselves and wanted to leave society in a mess of that 'gay situation'. What little rascals those boys were. Matthew Shepard? Kid chose to be gay so he could be beaten near death then fucking left to die looking like a scarecrow on some country road fence. I guess in hindsight, real fucking poor choice on his part. Oh well! We choose to be gay for comparisons to bestiality, to be called pedophiles, and to be said to be actively trying to destabilize America and its youth. We choose to be gay so some people of political parties can use us, and some of others can just plain say we're not a valid or functioning option for living or success. We choose to be gay while attending private religious schools that our parents sometimes send us - so we can hear how we're going to Hell, to be demonized, and to be told we need to pray for other gays (that of course chose to be gay). I personally chose to be gay so I could see Schizophrenia and homosexuality compared, because that isn't horrifyingly insulting and offensive to both homosexuals and Schizophrenics. I mean, homosexuals definitely have a chance to murder people without realizing it because they hear or see things they can't control, and it isn't like Schizophrenia should be a respected and properly discussed disease as should all mental illness. It's not like we have a problem in our country or the world where true, debilitating mental illnesses are swept under the rug or nonchalantly ignored. Can properly discuss every physical illness and injury we can see or scan, but gotta be all hush hush with the mental illnesses or make them into a bad parody/joke. I think some of my fellow gays chose to be gay so they could get fired from their jobs if they came out, where they couldn't acknowledge their loved one for fear of consequences. Where they have to keep it hush hush so they don't lose out on roles. Man, I bet trans men and women choose to be that way so they can be thrown under the bus by both sides and humiliated, to actually be laughed at by doctors and nurses when they go in to the ER. I bet bisexuals choose to be bi so they can be called sluts, what a fucking honor that is - I might change to that after considering it. So many fucking perks man, I can't even count. There is that one little downfall of first-cousin incest being legal in more states than our gay-choosing marriage is allowed, but oh well. Hundreds of perks to that one little negative, definitely worth it in my opinion. If only more heterosexuals kept choosing to join us in our fucking gay-fabulous lifestyle. Maybe I'll convert a few. Let me get my gay-guide to recruiting, there's even a toaster involved for you.
