<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 2 2006, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes those buzzer beaters were great. No one can take those away from him. But he wasnt there when his team needed him most to win the series was he? People dont care about the buzzer beaters, if they didnt even mean a series win. Big deal. He scored 1 point in the 2nd half of a must win game. Some GOAT there.. </div>Hmmm, Game 6 must not have been a must win game. Because He scored 50 on 58% shooting with 8 rebounds and 5 assists that night, including some of the craziest threes you'll ever see in the last minute + overtime. He scored 17 in those 6 minutes btw, all of them to keep the game in reach just in case his teammates decided to play defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 3 2006, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm jealous of Kobe fans. They don't have to waste their time watch the playoffs. I could be doing something more productive... </div>You're a Mavs fan right? If you're a true Mavs fan and have been with them your whole life, you'd understand the stupidity of your post...1990-1991 28 wins, 54 losses1991-1992 22 wins, 60 losses1992-1993 11 wins, 72 losses1993-1994 13 wins, 69 losses1994-1995 36 wins, 46 losses1995-1996 26 wins, 56 losses1996-1997 24 wins, 58 losses1997-1998 20 wins, 62 losses1998-1999 19 wins, 31 losses1999-2000 40 wins, 42 lossesThe lottery was the most exciting part of the postseason for Dallas...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ Jun 2 2006, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're a Mavs fan right? If you're a true Mavs fan and have been with them your whole life, you'd understand the stupidity of your post...Didn't the Mavs have a losing record for every season in the 90's?</div>Don't worry about him man. He doesn't know how to act right now, his team's never played in June.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ Jun 3 2006, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're a Mavs fan right? If you're a true Mavs fan and have been with them your whole life, you'd understand the stupidity of your post...1990-1991 28 wins, 54 losses1991-1992 22 wins, 60 losses1992-1993 11 wins, 72 losses1993-1994 13 wins, 69 losses1994-1995 36 wins, 46 losses1995-1996 26 wins, 56 losses1996-1997 24 wins, 58 losses1997-1998 20 wins, 62 losses1998-1999 19 wins, 31 losses1999-2000 40 wins, 42 lossesThe lottery was the most exciting part of the postseason for Dallas...</div>I was talking about now, but nice try. I wasn't even in Dallas for half of the seasons you just cited, and when Cuban bought the team I asked my friend what the hell he was thinking. I don't think you have to be a Mavs fan your whole life or ever to know how much they sucked throughout the ninties. It's also somewhat retarded that in more than half of the seasons you listed, Kobe wasn't in the NBA. Take a second to think before you post again.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Jun 3 2006, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't worry about him man. He doesn't know how to act right now, his team's never played in June.</div>You'll be lucky if yours does in the next decade. Oh, and, you're wrong. Dallas has played in June before this year.
you can make any player look good showing all the positives, but then again he has many negatives, i'd like to see that video. After watching both then one can decide. Kobes game is repectable though.i didnt read all this stuff incase i repeat anyone... just the first 2 replies
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 3 2006, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking about now, but nice try. I wasn't even in Dallas for half of the seasons you just cited, and when Cuban bought the team I asked my friend what the hell he was thinking. I don't think you have to be a Mavs fan your whole life or ever to know how much they sucked throughout the ninties. It's also somewhat retarded that in more than half of the seasons you listed, Kobe wasn't in the NBA. Take a second to think before you post again.</div>And Kobe's been in the playoffs nine of his ten years in L.A. You were trying to be clever, got called out on it, and now trying to say you meant something else. "Yeah, I'm jealous of Kobe fans. They don't have to waste their time watch the playoffs."
No, but seriously, if you really think <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">any</span> fan of basketball doesn't know how terrible the Mavericks were during the 90s, you are a complete and utter moron. I went to a few games when Michael Finley was the only worthwhile player on the Mavs, so fscking Christ, of course I know how damn bad the Mavs were. The point that I was trying to make, even though you obviously didn't get it, is that while my Mavs are potentially going to the finals, your team is fishing. If you had thought for, y'know, a few seconds, you could have figured that out.Edit: Not to mention the fact that you purposefully left out a sentence where I mentioned that I "could be doing something more productive," not "could have been."
I am not a Kobe fan because:He is incredibly selfish, and don't say it's justified, because his team played better the one time he passed the ball on a consistent basis. Don't theorize, because the bottom line is, the one time Kobe passed the ball for a consistent basis, his team competed against a solid team, much better than them
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jun 4 2006, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is incredibly selfish, and don't say it's justified, because his team played better the one time he passed the ball on a consistent basis. Don't theorize, because the bottom line is, the one time Kobe passed the ball for a consistent basis, his team competed against a solid team, much better than them</div>*slamming head into wall*How many times does this need to be explained? NBA coaches have to have effective gameplanning skills to win seven game series. The Suns start two guys at forward and center who are far from good post defenders. Phil and Kobe can both recognize that, and went to Lamar and Kwame in the post a lot more than they could against any other team. Lamar Odom isn't going to dominate Tim Duncan. Lamar Odom isn't going to dominate Elton Brand. But put Shawn Marion or Tim Thomas in the post...Those are the only guys he passed to that did anything. Smush was terrible for half the series, and Luke Walton was his normal sometimes amazing/sometimes excruciating self.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jun 2 2006, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://youtube.com/watch?v=DWut1pAWZ68&search=Kobe%20BryantThis video has been posted before. But every time I watch it it makes me like him even more.Also check out this onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8NbJWDcjMI posted this here because I wanted everybody to see it.</div>What about mine? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBipIpJmRV0
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ Jun 4 2006, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>*slamming head into wall*How many times does this need to be explained? NBA coaches have to have effective gameplanning skills to win seven game series. The Suns start two guys at forward and center who are far from good post defenders. Phil and Kobe can both recognize that, and went to Lamar and Kwame in the post a lot more than they could against any other team. Lamar Odom isn't going to dominate Tim Duncan. Lamar Odom isn't going to dominate Elton Brand. But put Shawn Marion or Tim Thomas in the post...Those are the only guys he passed to that did anything. Smush was terrible for half the series, and Luke Walton was his normal sometimes amazing/sometimes excruciating self.</div>Lamar Odom doesn't have to dominate Tim Duncan, because no one can. However, Lamar Odom is good enough that he could get 15 Points on Duncan with good percentages if he got the ball. I saw 25 - 35 Laker games this year, and Kobe simply did not pass the ball.You can say: "The gameplan was effective because it was the Suns" But then again, how do we know it wouldn't be effective against anyone else? One game Kobe decides to pass the ball, then he goes selfish for 5 more games. The Suns are unselfish, the Spurs are unselfish, the Heat and Mavs try to be unselfish, and they are solid teams. Unselfishness wins, at all levels of basketballI can't say: Passing would work for the Lakers, because Kobe never really passed the ball during the regular seasonHowever, you can't say: The Lakers passing game could only be successful against the Suns, because Kobe never tried to pass on a consistent basis throughout the season.In conclusion, the one time Kobe decided to pass, his team had decent success. Throughout the season, where Kobe decided to be unselfish one game, and selfish the next 4 games, the Lakers were mediocre. When Kobe Bryant has shown willingness to pass, he has proven himself to be a top 5 passer in the NBA. Why doesn't he try to do it more? Why doesn't he take 4 or 5 less shots per game and give it to his open teammates once in awhile?We all saw him pass up a wide open Lamar Odom against New Jersey so he could take a three from the corner earlier this season. We all saw him lose total confidence in Odom and then question why he wasn't playing well.Kobe is a prick, Kobe is selfish, and that's why I don't like him. I don't hate him anymore, but I certainly don't hold him in high regard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ming637 @ Jun 4 2006, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about mine? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBipIpJmRV0</div>What about it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fouled Out @ Jun 4 2006, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You were trying to be funny, you wern't trying to make any point.</div>Oh man ok you got me I had no idea the Mavs had never made the finals before but Kobe had man that is such obscure knowledge I wish I knew as much as you man you are so smart! LOL!!!!Please, stop posting.Edit: Hey, are you going to watch the Mavs game this Thursday? You know, since your team isn't going to be playing?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 4 2006, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Edit: Hey, are you going to watch the Mavs game this Thursday? You know, since your team isn't going to be playing?</div>I can't speak for him, but I know I won't. Watching Shaq demolish opponents in the finals got old a while ago.
In response to KMart's post:I see your point, but I don't feel it's very fair. Your sample size for Kobe passing is four games against the Suns, and you're comparing it to an 82 game season facing 31 other teams. Kobe does have his stretches of selfishness, I know that. But I feel that more often than not it was/is justified, at least until the Lakers groom a decent third option. Or Lamar gets a little bit more of a shooter's mentality. Lakers coaches have been quoted about telling Lamar to shoot more often on several occaisons.Now towards the end of the season, at least the last month or so, things change. Kwame started giving flashes of the player people thought he could be. Lamar became the triple double threat nightly that people have been expecting out of him since God knows when.I personally feel that most of those improvements had more to do with understanding the triangle more and more. The players off of last years team (I think there were ten new players on the 04-05 squad) were really only exposed to a little bit of the triangle, and that was under the tutelage of Frank Hamblen. Then, you had even more new players this year...If Kobe averages 4.5 assists next year, I'll be pissed because I don't think he'll have to be as selfish to win games. All that said, I don't see how anyone can look at the Lakers season this year as anything but positive. They totally overachieved over the course of the season. They took a Western Conference Finalist to seven games (even though yes, the Lakers blew it). All the young guys on the Lake Show's roster got invaluable experience to apply towards next year, the year after, and so on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Jun 4 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't speak for him, but I know I won't. Watching Shaq demolish opponents in the finals got old a while ago.</div>Darn, well you missed a good one. Shaq was 1-9 from the line and if he had twice as many points, he would have had two more than Terry! He's a good player!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 8 2006, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Darn, well you missed a good one. Shaq was 1-9 from the line and if he had twice as many points, he would have had two more than Terry! He's a good player!</div>You know that's like music in my ears right? You don't actually think me, a die hard Lakers and Kobe fan, would be rooting for Shaq, a man who betrayed the organization and has taken multiple jabs to his former partner, do you?
