Better basketball player?Let's seeOdom- Better at creating own shot- Better vision- Better scorer [don't look at stats]Marion- Better rebounder- Better defender- Cannot create for himself nor his teamatesThis is quite hard seeing as how Marion plays great D and odom's D isn't too good.
I say Marion. He can score pretty well too. He does rely on assists but that doesen't mean much since he did just as well with Marbury as he's doing with the MVP. Odom definetly outplayed him in the playoffs though and that's why this can really be debated. I know I'd rather have marion because of his athletic ability and being able to defend different types of players. Odom is really good too though and if he gets passed to a few more times by Kobe he could challenge Marion for that all-star spot.
You put that in your first post, and he's 6'10 isn't he? Odom got a lot of hate from Lakers fans in the season and seemed to make stupid decisions too. After a few good games in a playoff series were the Suns had the weakest interior defense in the league and Odom is God. lol, if he gets some more opportunities though he might be better. I don't know much about Odom though, tell me what you though of him in the regular season. What was he like? Do you think he'll improve?
Nah, i've been on the odom bandwagon since February when he decided he wanted to come out and play.And lamar's grown, those measurments from nba.com are outdated [from 1999]. I read he was 6-11 which is basically 7 feet.Lamar in the regular season was horrible at the start, as i said in the other thread some games he'd score 3 points and then next he'd have 25. Very inconsistent.But every since the allstar game, odom changed into an agressive guy. I remember seeing him ignore kobe's requests for the ball, something that wouldn't be concievable at the start of the season.
Is this a joke? Other than assists Marion dominates him at everything....Marion maximizes his talent while Odom has been a big dissapointment. Marion 1. Scores a lot more 2. Blocks a lot more 3. Steal a lot more 4. Rebounds a lot more 5. Shoots a better percentage 6. Better defender 7. Plays very hard Odom 1. Court Vision 2. He's taller
Marion. Better rebounder, better scorer, better insiude scorer, better shot blocker, better defender, equal shot. THe only thing I see Odom better at is passing..
I dont care what he did in the playoffs. This is not a debate. Shawn Marion by far.He was a long shot MVP candidate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 3 2006, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is this a joke? Other than assists Marion dominates him at everything....Marion maximizes his talent while Odom has been a big dissapointment. Marion 1. Scores a lot more 2. Blocks a lot more 3. Steal a lot more 4. Rebounds a lot more 5. Shoots a better percentage 6. Better defender 7. Plays very hard Odom 1. Court Vision 2. He's taller</div>Lamar odom can create for himself much better than marion can every dream of. Odom is the better scorer. Secondly, the rebounding factor is inflated. Thirdly, he's obviously going to shoot better because he doesn't have to create for himself, most his shots come off open 3 pointers, offensive rebounds, dunks,alleyoops or 7 foot floaters.And the playoffs do matter, odom dominated him for most of that series. Marion only started playing well when they started doubling odom in the post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 3 2006, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lamar odom can create for himself much better than marion can every dream of. Odom is the better scorer. Secondly, the rebounding factor is inflated. Thirdly, he's obviously going to shoot better because he doesn't have to create for himself, most his shots come off open 3 pointers, offensive rebounds, dunks,alleyoops or 7 foot floaters.And the playoffs do matter, odom dominated him for most of that series. Marion only started playing well when they started doubling odom in the post.</div>That is such bull sh*t.Lamar Odom isnt the better scorer. I dont even care if Nash "inflates" Marion's ppg numbers. And I would debate that too. I will after this point. Shawn scores 7 ppg more than Lamar, and has a better fg% by .04 which is quite a lot. And even with out Nash (two years ago) Shawn still scored 19 ppg. Now back to the inflation thing. I dont believe that. Shawn Marion can create for himself better than anyone. Nash basically helps people shoot the ball by drawing and dishing, but he does not help Marion score inside points because Nash rarely hits people up for wide open inside lay ups anymore. It is mainly for 3 point shots. Nash gives Marion a fair share of alley oops but that is just Nash throwing the ball up there and Marion using his skills and athleticism to throw it down. Marion can still benefit just as well without Nash. He definately proved that his 1st couple of years in the League. It is just because of their current offense (everything goes through Nash) that he scores that way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 4 2006, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is such bull sh*t.Lamar Odom isnt the better scorer. I dont even care if Nash "inflates" Marion's ppg numbers. And I would debate that too. I will after this point. Shawn scores 7 ppg more than Lamar, and has a better fg% by .04 which is quite a lot. And even with out Nash (two years ago) Shawn still scored 19 ppg. Now back to the inflation thing. I dont believe that. Shawn Marion can create for himself better than anyone. Nash basically helps people shoot the ball by drawing and dishing, but he does not help Marion score inside points because Nash rarely hits people up for wide open inside lay ups anymore. It is mainly for 3 point shots. Nash gives Marion a fair share of alley oops but that is just Nash throwing the ball up there and Marion using his skills and athleticism to throw it down. Marion can still benefit just as well without Nash. He definately proved that his 1st couple of years in the League. It is just because of their current offense (everything goes through Nash) that he scores that way.</div>Has he ever played without a good pg?
Lamar Odom has amazing offensive Talent and MArion has amazing defensive talent. I dont think you can compare these guys based on their strengths. but so if i wanted a garbage man i'd go for Marion, and if i wanted a go to guy i'd go for odom
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fabolous @ Jun 4 2006, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lamar Odom has amazing offensive Talent and MArion has amazing defensive talent. I dont think you can compare these guys based on their strengths. but so if i wanted a garbage man i'd go for Marion, and if i wanted a go to guy i'd go for odom</div>i agree with you with your last sentence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fabolous @ Jun 3 2006, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lamar Odom has amazing offensive Talent and MArion has amazing defensive talent. I dont think you can compare these guys based on their strengths. but so if i wanted a garbage man i'd go for Marion, and if i wanted a go to guy i'd go for odom</div>A go to guy? Lamar Odom is Mr. Inconsistent who plays no defense and smokes pot.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ Jun 3 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has he ever played without a good pg?</div> Who gives a sh*t. Point guards dont automatically score you the points..
didnt odom finish the season with like 3 triple doubles in the last 4 games??like i saidOdom is my pick especially after watching the playoffs
WTF does a go to guy mean? Odom is inconsistent and doesnt do sh*t half the time. Marion is top 5 in all the defensive stats, scores 21 ppg and gets 12 boards a night at 6"7.
Lamar, he doesn't have Kobe's support like Marion has Nash's in the game. Kobe sets up his own points to score but he has proved that he can do a good job by himself, however at LA I think he's always going to get overshadowed by Kobe. Fabolous, Lamar Odom hasn't gotten the chance to be a go to guy, he's Kobe's support. Shawn Marion does alot of his work on defense but Lamar gets 9 rebounds per game, which isn't much less than Shawn who gets 11.
