I'll try to break this sh*t down, trait by trait.Scoring: Edge to Foye. Foye is as good a one-on-one player as they get in this draft. He has incredible quickness paired with extraordinary ballhandling that allows him to get to the basket at will, and he finishes strong. He also has an outside shot and a nice floater. Williams has nba 3-point range, but i don't think we could count on him as a consistent scoring option. He'll give you a few points here and there, but that's just icing. He also finishes well.Defense: Slight edge to Foye. His mechanics are better, but he gambles, and that doesn't translate well in the nba. He'll get burned or get some rookie calls. Williams is a decent defnder, but it will be a liability at the next level.Passing: Clear edge to Williams. He is probably the only "true" point guard in the draft. He finds the smallest seams and threads the needle. He can make any pass including lobs, bounce passes, passes into the post, lead passes, you name it. Foye is a devent passer, but nothing special.Other PG skills: Edge to Williams. He can control the tempo like only nba vets can do nowadays. He doesn't let anyone slow him down or speed him up. He also leads the fast break like almost no one in the league today. I'd think he would soon be in the class of Baron Davis, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash in that aspect. Both have exceptional ballhandling, including killer crossovers, and they penetrate the lane well. Both clearly make their teammates better. Marcus Williams helped turn Rudy Gay into possibly the #1 pick, along with now a few more first round prospects who were invisible to scouts not long ago. Foye's penetration allows teammates open looks and seams in the lane.Leadership: Even. Foye is a great emotional leader, as you can see from his team going far in the tourney. He lost both of his parents at a fairly young age, so he has strong character, and he's mentally tough. Williams plays best in the closing minutes of the game. If you saw the Huskies play in the tourney, you'd need no further explanation. He practically carried that team when Gay, among others, was a no-show."Weaknesses": Even. Williams' off-the-court behavior is poor to say the least. He could end up Tony Allen II. Some scouts say Williams in unselfish to a fault almost. For example, he will try to force a pass when he is open for a shot we all know he can make. I don't think this is a confidence issue tho. Scouts noticed a sort of silent swagger from Williams, and i like that. Both are turnover prone, of course. Foye is not a "true" pg. He is shoot first, like most players. The thing is, we don't need another shoot-first guy. That's why i think Williams is a better fit for the Celtics.So overall, it's damn close, but i think we will go with Williams because he is simply a better fit.
I got a feeling that Marcus Williams will be a "Bust A Lust" in the NBA, but I dont know thats just a feeling. Anyways I like Randy Foye better then him.
I don't think Marcus will be a bust. He has all the PG tools, except maybe his conditioning and foot speed could improve a little. He is an excellent pass-first PG who can also shoot and has NBA 3-pt range like dogmatist said. He is going to be in the league for a long time if he doesn't think about stealing any more laptops. Foye reminds me of Chauncey Billups for some reason. He is a scoring PG, but he also has "true PG skills" and I think in time, like Billups, he will develope into a very good PG. Will he ever be on the same level as Billups? Probably not but who knows. I think he is like Billups in the sense that he is a scorer, but in time will be able to create for others as well. I think both of these young men are going to have nice NBA careers. I think Foye might be better in the long run, but if you want a playmaker that can come in right now, control an offense, and lead the break - Williams is your best choice. If you want a scorer with upside, Foye is your man. So it all really depends on team needs.
Marcus Williams is clearly the #1 PG in this draft. At the moment he is 6'3" 214 pounds and has been very good in workouts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 5 2006, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Marcus will be a bust. He has all the PG tools, except maybe his conditioning and foot speed could improve a little. He is an excellent pass-first PG who can also shoot and has NBA 3-pt range like dogmatist said. He is going to be in the league for a long time if he doesn't think about stealing any more laptops.Foye reminds me of Chauncey Billups for some reason. He is a scoring PG, but he also has "true PG skills" and I think in time, like Billups, he will develope into a very good PG. Will he ever be on the same level as Billups? Probably not but who knows. I think he is like Billups in the sense that he is a scorer, but in time will be able to create for others as well.I think both of these young men are going to have nice NBA careers. I think Foye might be better in the long run, but if you want a playmaker that can come in right now, control an offense, and lead the break - Williams is your best choice. If you want a scorer with upside, Foye is your man. So it all really depends on team needs.</div>So who do you think we should get?Oh, and i remember Danny saying he wanted a guy that could help out now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 5 2006, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So who do you think we should get?Oh, and i remember Danny saying he wanted a guy that could help out now.</div>neitherplease dont draft a PG for gods sakeif weve got morrison or thomas or roy sitting there and we take williamsI AM GOING TO CRY
yeah, really. Morrison's a bad fit, Thomas won't fall to us, and Roy won't fall either. So we're going to pile on talent on positions we already have filled and hope our PG situation works out? Get real man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 5 2006, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So who do you think we should get? Oh, and i remember Danny saying he wanted a guy that could help out now.</div> Well I think an experienced veteran playmaker would be the best fit, but IF we decide to go PG with the draft, I say the better fit for our team is Marcus Williams. I mean we have Paul Pierce, Wally Szczerbiak, and Delonte West for scoring. Plus Gerald Green and Al Jefferson taking on a bigger role. Not to mention Ryan Gomes and Raef. We have scoring, therefore Foye probably doesn't fit here. I say Williams because he is a floor general, true PG that Danny likes, did ok in our workout except for "the run", he is a guy that can come in and contribute right away and set the table for our scorers. He also can shoot, so that would help us too if he is left open. But Marcus is a guy that can come in, help right away, make plays, and get better with experience. I would really like Marcus Williams here, but like I said, if there is a better veteran PG that is willing to come here and split minutes with Delonte, then that might be the better option. Especially if we are going to try and make a little playoff run next year like Danny keeps talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 5 2006, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, really. Morrison's a bad fit, Thomas won't fall to us, and Roy won't fall either. So we're going to pile on talent on positions we already have filled and hope our PG situation works out? Get real man.</div>one problemwe dont have a point guard situation
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KhAoS-CelticsFahLyfe @ Jun 6 2006, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>one problem we dont have a point guard situation</div> I have no problem with Delonte being a PG on this team. We just need another one. To tell you the truth, I am kind of curious to see if Dickau can bounce back and contribute. Dickau is a true PG, a good playmaker, and a good shooter. The only real problem with him is his defense, because he probably can't even spell the word. That said, even though I am curious about Dickau, I do believe we need a better 2nd PG on the team than Dickau.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KhAoS-CelticsFahLyfe @ Jun 6 2006, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>one problemwe dont have a point guard situation</div>How can you say that? I mean, Delonte is an okay pg, but do you want Orien Greene as our freaking back-up? come on. Besides, Delonte is more comfortable playing the two. I would gladly have Williams and West playing together in the backcourt.
Marcus Williams is most likely going to the Hawks, unless something major happens, so no real use putting him in your mock drafts. Foye is kind of like Billups. He is a good shooter, good scorer, is kind of flashy, and a pretty good passer. The thing is though, he is more of a combo guard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 7 2006, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams is most likely going to the Hawks, unless something major happens, so no real use putting him in your mock drafts. Foye is kind of like Billups. He is a good shooter, good scorer, is kind of flashy, and a pretty good passer. The thing is though, he is more of a combo guard.</div> The same exact things were said about Billups. Then, in time, he flourished. I am not saying Foye is going to be as good as Mr. Big Shot, but his game is similar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 7 2006, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams is most likely going to the Hawks, unless something major happens, so no real use putting him in your mock drafts. Foye is kind of like Billups. He is a good shooter, good scorer, is kind of flashy, and a pretty good passer. The thing is though, he is more of a combo guard.</div>I wouldnt put my money on the Hawks taking Williams. Reason is simple: Billy Knight is our GM. :no1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mixx @ Jun 7 2006, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just dont like him thats why I think he will be a bust.</div>well, now that you put it that way, i guess he will be a bust. :HAHAHA:
