How low will California fall?

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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    This state is almost comically bad. Just saw a flash on my twitter feed that the CA supreme court decided that illegals can get in-state tuition at california colleges. WTF. Jerry Brown will continue these kind of policies.

    I think it will be pretty brutal in the next 5 years here. The state government is totally corrupt and they push these liberal policies that are going to fall flat on their ass. The pension system is a huge time-bomb and is unsustainable.

    I see zero chance of recovery for this state. Bankruptcy and then a federal bailout is the only thing that's going to happen here. treading water.
     
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    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/undocumented-students.html

     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    And then the UAW will be the main shareholder of California!

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    Agreed. We're totally screwed.
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    Why shouldn't the students get the lower tuition rates?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    For the record, I think CA will have to default and essentially declare bankruptcy. I think they will go to the Federal Government for a bailout and this Republican House will tell them to pound sand.

    CA will have to make some hard choices regarding its pensions and it will only be a harbinger for NY, IL, MD and OR.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Why should the state subsidize college education?
     
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    they are not California residents. They are not even United States residents. if they want to go to college, pay what international students pay.
     
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    They are california residents, and certainly US residents.

    They went to high school in california for 3 years. That makes them residents, and qualifies them for the lower tuition.
     
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    Why shouldn't it?
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/10/ca...butors-larry-bell.html?boxes=Homepagechannels

     
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    they are not US Citizens. They are essentially illegal squatters.

    so if you go to high school for 3 years, you automatically get US residency and citizenship? If true, that's pretty lame.
     
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    Residency means to live here. That they do.
     
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    First, your state can't afford it. Choices have to be made.

    Second, if state universities can't compete with private colleges, they should close down.

    Third, college is a benefit paid for by all but utilized by a few. Furthermore, those few earn more money than those that can't gain entry into or choose not to participate in the system. Why should those who are destined to make less money subsized those who will make more?

    Your turn.
     
  17. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    illegally.
     
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    They built a road in the state 500 miles away from me. Utilized not by me. But I send a fedex to someone 500 miles away and the fedex truck drives on that road and my package gets there.

    So "utilized by a few" is a specious argument at best. Without the analogy, the guy who went to cal-berkley who invented something you use means you benefit from his education.

    your second point is bullshit, frankly. The schools do charge tuition. Whatever extra they need is typically for research and that sort of thing. If people can't afford to go, financial aid is there. It's there for private colleges, too.

    Your first point is valid, but I'm not sure closing down universities is a higher priority than a whole slew of other things, when it comes to cutting spending.
     
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    So what?
     
  20. EL PRESIDENTE

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    really?
     

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