Qualifying Offer on Oden

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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    The quotes from Hoopshype seem to indicate that this wont happen -- "No way!" said one executive.
     
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    You can if the team accepts the injured player. There is no Injured Reserve anymore.

    Did anyone even ponder a week ago that Greg's ~$6.7 million expiring contract would be more likely traded than Przy's $7.4 million EC?

    What a fucking disaster the past week has been. My worst as a Blazer fan. I feel worse now than I did after Game 7.
     
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    I have to think that Greg is going to want a fresh start somewhere, for his own psyche if anything.

    The book is closed on the Oden vs. Durant debate. I remember how excited I was when the Blazers won that lottery. Turns out that getting the 2nd pick would have been 'winning' that lottery.
     
  4. alex42083

    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

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    Quick just said on the MSP that he doesn't expect the Blazers to offer the QO, and will eventually cut ties with G.O.
     
  5. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Greg Oden can't sink this franchise.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    We'll be over the cap next year, anyway. Making a QO won't affect the money we can offer.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I looked on the HH website, but I couldn't find it. Do you have a link?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    No but because we're over the cap that QO will cost the franchise roughly 17 million in real dollars ... nearly the entire amount of money Greg earned in 4 years on his rookie scale deal. That's a bad use of resources on a guy who will likely miss at a minimum the first two months of next season (if his first rehab timeline is anything to go by). And really for Greg's sake, he needs a change of scenery; there's almost nothing but negativity surrounding him here, that's gotta be weighing on his psyche.

    It's time to let this guy go. It's over.
     
  9. HailBlazers

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    Are you a fat lady Nik? Sorry but it aint over till its over.
     
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    keep in mind there will likely be no season for a few months at least next year.
     
  11. Blaze01

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    They better give him the qualifier....

    If they don't....the possible reprecussions (ie signing an playing with another team and god forbid playing very well)...are just not palatable...

    NOT ON ANY LEVEL....

    No fucking way you let that possibility happen...

    I mean the team goes through all this heartbreak and then doubles the agony by letting him walk for nothing, see him sign with another team and then come back in another uniform to torture Blazer mgmt and fans?

    I don't fucking think so....
     
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    It will only cost the team that much if they are over the luxury tax and the luxury tax remains the same in the next CBA. That remains to be seen, so while its possible the team cuts Oden we will need to see the details come next July (or whenever the lockout ends)
     
  13. maxiep

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    We'll agree to disagree.
     
  14. Rastapopoulos

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    Excellent point. But that also kind of complicates things. When will the lockout occur? Will it occur before we have a chance to offer the qualifying offer? If so, he wouldn't technically be a free agent, because no other NBA team could sign him, because of the lockout. But if it occurs AFTER we have a chance to offer it, then it would make sense to offer it, knowing that we won't have to pay at least a chunk of it anyway.

    But lockout aside, and assuming I haven't visited Lacuna Inc. to remove my painful and pointless attachment to a franchise that has brought me nothing but pain, I would be yet more pained if Cho did NOT offer an extension. What have we got to lose but Paul Allen's money at this point?
     
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    Here's my argument for keeping GO.

    I think the new CBA is going to be much more flexible in terms of getting out of long-term deals. Too many owners have been burned by players who sign a deal and then stop working or experience a catastropic injury that kills their value.

    Oden will either be a signficant contributor or he'll get injured again and again and again and again. Even at 70% of what he was coming into the league, he's a dominant low post force. Think Kevin Willis. If its the former, then he should do it as a Blazer. Frankly, he owes the franchise and the fan base that much. As long as PA is willing to pay him what another team will, GO has a moral obligation to stay. I don't use that term lightly.

    If he continues to get injured year after year, then it's clearly something systemic and he'll retire. I keep looking for a pattern to his injuries and I can't find it. Bill Walton had a pattern. Geoff Petrie had a pattern. Brandon Roy has a pattern. Either the problem with GO is global or it's been bad luck. If it's global and systemic, then he needs to retire. If he retires, I suspect the new CBA will be much more forgiving to the team financially if that's the case.

    It seems to me that the risk is asymmetric: not a ton of downside and a great deal of upside.
     
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    I just think there's no way we can't keep oden. we have to ride this out until he retires or screws us by bolting to another team to complete te cycle.
     
  17. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I think the strategy would be to not offer the QO and try to sign him to an incentive based deal as a FA.
     
  18. EL PRESIDENTE

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    If he's a RFA, we don't determine his value. QO for one year as an act of good faith and THEN an incentive based contract afterwards as a URFA. If he plays well in his QO year and then bolts on us, he's an asshole.
     
  19. Denny Crane

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    I'm saying not to offer the QO, so he becomes UFA and you try to resign him.
     
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    He becomes a RFA then. And then you really can't negotiate at all.
     

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