Top 10 revelations from WikiLeaks cables

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    On Sunday, five international news outlets published a selection of more than 250,000 U.S. diplomatic cables, provided by the website WikiLeaks. The disclosure of the cables, most of them from the past three years, offers a rare unfiltered view of the secretive world of high-level diplomacy. As such, it could complicate relations with a host of friendly and unfriendly nations.

    But what did we actually learn? Here are 10 key revelations from the cables:

    1. Many Middle Eastern nations are far more concerned about Iran's nuclear program than they've publicly admitted. According to one cable, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly asked the U.S. to "cut off the head of the snake" -- meaning, it appears, to bomb Iran's nuclear program. Leaders of Qatar, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and other Middle Eastern nations expressed similar views.

    2. The U.S. ambassador to Seoul told Washington in February that the right business deals might get China to acquiesce to a reunified Korea, if the newly unified power were allied with the United States. American and South Korean officials have discussed such a reunification in the event that North Korea collapses under the weight of its economic and political problems.

    3. The Obama administration offered sweeteners to try to get other countries to take Guantanamo detainees, as part of its (as yet unsuccessful) effort to close the prison. Slovenia, for instance, was offered a meeting with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions.

    4. Afghan Vice President Ahmed Zia Massoud took $52 million in cash when he visited the United Arab Emirates last year, according to one cable. The Afghan government has been plagued by allegations of corruption. Massoud has denied taking the money out of the country.

    5. The United States has been working to remove highly enriched uranium from a Pakistani nuclear reactor, out of concern that it could be used to build an illicit nuclear device. The effort, which began in 2007, continues.

    6. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered diplomats to assemble information on their foreign counterparts. Documents in the WikiLeaks cache also indicate that Clinton may have asked diplomats to gather intelligence on U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon's plans for Iran, and information on Sudan (including Darfur), Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Iran and North Korea.

    7. The State Department labeled Qatar the worst country in the region for counterterrorism efforts. The country's security services were "hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals," according to one cable.

    8. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi are tighter than was previously known. Putin has given the high-living Berlusconi "lavish gifts" and lucrative energy contracts, and Berlusconi "appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin" in Europe, according to one cable.

    9. Hezbollah continues to enjoy the weapons patronage of Syria. A week after Syrian president Bashar Assad promised the United States he wouldn't send "new" arms to the Lebanese militant group, the United States said it had information that Syria was continuing to provide the group with increasingly sophisticated weapons.

    10. Some cables reveal decidedly less than diplomatic opinions of foreign leaders. Putin is said to be an "alpha-dog" and Afghan President Hamid Karzai to be "driven by paranoia." German Chancellor Angela Merkel "avoids risk and is rarely creative." Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi travels with a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.

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  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Of course all those things are more than just interesting, but...

    There's more to this that isn't being written about (much).

    Like, it sure looks as if someone in the State Dept. has access to all these documents and has repeatedly (is this the third dump of documents?) been able to transfer them to WikiLeaks. This alone raises some interesting questions, such as:
    1) Is our govt. so feeble that it can't figure out how to set up a firewall to prevent someone from sending out so many megabytes (gigabytes) of files?
    2) There's always sneakernet. Is our govt. so feeble (especially after the first leaks) that it can't keep its own workers from smuggling in and out USB drives? Heck, I don't think I'd let workers in or out of the buildings carrying a laptop.
    3) What is the motivation for the leaks?
    3a) Is it on Obama's orders?
    3b) Is it a plot by Hillary to make Obama look bad?
    3c) Is it an outright revolt by some in the Intelligence community against what Obama and Hillary are trying to do? (and what?)
    4) Are those responsible for the leak...
    4a) Right wing, trying to hurt the administration
    4b) Left wing, terribly upset with the wars and Obama's seeming lack of inaction toward their (his promised) agenda?
    5) Could it be that it's just some gay person upset about DADT (e.g. upset about something unrelated to foreign policy)?

    I'm thinking 3a. This wouldn't be the first way of making the USA far less of a superpower.
     
  3. Haakzilla

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    ...the most concerning and alarming thing that I have taken away from the the past few WikiLeaks is the insurmountable evidence of U.S. War Crimes!
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Like?
     
  5. Haakzilla

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    ...are you being facetious or did you not read any of these leaks?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't know anyone is capable of reading 250,000 documents in a lifetime.

    I have a feeling people will find what they want to find in them.
     
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    ...war crimes are war crimes, whether you're looking to find them in 250,000+ documents or not, they still happened.
     
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    Do we impeach Obama now? He surely committed war crimes.
     
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    They're only war crimes when you lose.

    Learn that.
     
  11. <-=*PdX*=->

    <-=*PdX*=-> RCTID

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    Way to provide some evidence, or even insight, into your point. You win.
     
  12. Haakzilla

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    ...what about when there is no "winner" and/or "loser"?!
     
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    Here's some US perpetrated war crimes:

    WWll
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#United_States_perpetrated_crimes

    Nam
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#United_States_perpetrated_crimes_2

    Iraq
    2003–present: Iraq War
    War crimes, crimes against humanity: Mahmudiyah killings involving the rape and murder of a 14 year old girl and the murder of her family by U.S. troops.
    Blackwater Baghdad shootings On September 16, 2007, Blackwater military contractors shot and killed 17 Iraqi civilians in Nisour Square, Baghdad. The fatalities occurred while a Blackwater Personal Security Detail (PSD) was escorting a convoy of US State Department vehicles en route to a meeting in western Baghdad with United States Agency for International Development officials. The shooting led to the unraveling of the North Carolina-based company, which since has replaced its management and changed its name to Xe Services.
    Beginning in 2004, accounts of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse, including torture, rape, sodomy, and homicide of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. These acts were committed by military police personnel of the United States Army together with additional US governmental agencies.


    Currently there are soldiiers on trial for murder of civilians for sport.
     
  14. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I say anyone convicted of releasing classified documents be convicted of treason and hanged until dead. And I'm generally against the death penalty. If some fuckers want to win cheap political points by putting American lives at risk, they should know their lives will be the first sacrificed.

    It will stop the leaks.
     
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    +1.
     
  16. TradeNurkicNow

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    I agree, it's much easier to just not know.
     
  17. Haakzilla

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    ...your logic is so sound, glad to know you are already banging the corporate media propaganda drum. Vilify everybody but the villains!

    Let's just say that I am a foreign soldier and I have "classified" documents proving that other foreign soldiers tortured, raped, and brutally murdered your entire family...but because they have a "classified" label on them, nobody should ever know that these heinous crimes were even committed and those responsible should never be brought to justice. Yet, if I do decide to release these documents, then I should be hung for dead because the truth will put my fellow soldiers lives at risk?

    Who exactly is winning these cheap political points anyway?

    ...more sound logic, SUPPRESS THE TRUTH FOR IT WILL NOT SET YOU FREE?

    Blind leading the blind?

    Out of sight, out of mind?

    What you don't know can't hurt you?
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You grew up watching the X Files, didn't you? :wink:
     
  19. Haakzilla

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    Nope, I have only seen a fraction of an episode or two. I always thought David D. was terrible...until I started watching Californication, great show! However, the X-Files did have a few clutch catch phrases [such as "The Truth Is Out There", "Trust No One", and "I Want to Believe"]
     
  20. MrJayremmie

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    I don't know whose side i'm on here, but honestly, the wikileaks weren't all that bad in my mind. I'm kinda pissed AT WikiLeaks for leaking them though.

    They should most likely be found an prosecuted.
     

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