Bench Armon

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  1. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    I hate to say it, because I like the kid and I'm really rooting for him. But assuming our goal is still to win games (as it should be), as opposed to developing young talent, Armon shouldn't be playing unless it's garbage time. I think it's easy to say "give the kid 10 minutes a night to see what he can do", but I believe that is a mistake. The Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, etc would never let a kid this raw have a spot in the regular rotation. He is making far too many mistakes, both offensively and defensively. Shuffle things a bit to make sure either Miller or Roy are in at all times playing PG, or give Rudy the 10 minutes of bringing the ball up the court. I know this is a small reason for why we are struggling, but it is easily fixable.
     
  2. MickZagger

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    We aren't the Lakers, Spurs or even the Nuggets.
     
  3. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    OK sure, but just because we're not the Lakers doesn't mean we shouldn't put our best foot forward. We can improve our chances of being a good team if we give Armon's minutes to someone else.
     
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    I disagree. Neither Roy nor Rudy have shown they can be good as a PG and it would absolutely kill our defense.
     
  5. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    Let me get this straight - you feel better with Armon bringing the ball up the court than Roy?
     
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    Simple, play Bayless more.

    Oh, wait....Cho traded him for basically nothing. Brilliant. At least when New Orleans traded him they got a good backup in Jarrett Jack. The Blazers....hopefully nothing lower than the 18th pick.

    In the end we're stuck with Armon who has a near 1:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, can't shoot and he dribbles too much. Career backup is his ceiling. Awesome.
     
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    Roy makes the offense disjointed just playing SG right now.
     
  8. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    Well, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think you're being a little too harsh on him. By no means does he look like an all-star right now, but he looks a heck of a lot better, even at PG, than Armon Johnson, in my opinion. I have a hard time believing any NBA executive would choose Armon Johnson over Brandon Roy as their backup PG, even if they were fully aware of Roy's recent limitations.
     
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    Bayless has been just as bad this year. This is his 3rd year in the league.
     
  10. RoyToy

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    Playing for two different teams trying his best to be what he's not, sure. That said, he averaged 14pts/4asts in the playoffs last year. I think he'd be playing better if he was still here.

    Interesting quote from Roy after the game

    The bench is pathetic right now and Armon is a reason why. Dante and Rudy suck as well.
     
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    Roy really has no room to talk. The loss has to do with the 4 combined 2nd half points out of our top 2 scorers than anything else.
     
  12. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Our bench really does suck, especially now that Wes is starting.
     
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    So Wes is better than Batum?
     
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    right now I think there is no doubt Wes is better than Nic, the main reason i think is his aggressiveness and mindset, he gets after it and plays hard while Nic often appears very passive and just cruising or loafing out there. Nic has the talent, but he has to "want" to use it.

    Note that some of the blame goes to Nate's awful offense and how it sticks Nic in the corner so much of the time. Nic had some very good games earlier, I have no doubt he can get back there, but he's got to want it and work harder
     
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    Yes. Wes makes use of his lesser physical tool/talents than Batum right now because he's 10x more aggressive.
     
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    The Blazers fucked up when they traded Bayless. He played hard every night. He attacked the rim. He got to the free throw line even when he was having a bad night shooting. He defended with effort.

    And I do agree. Hell I think they should even give Mills a shot. A lot of folks seem to forget the one thing that Mills can do, is score, and that he poses a huge speed mismatch issue when he is on the floor because he is very fast.

    Beware of the Blazer PR machine. They will try to sell you on a player being shinola, when they are shit. (From the movie the Jerk if you have no reference point.) :)
     
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    agree... mills can at least score. and its really crazy babbit isnt playing consIdering how bad we need scoring. babbitt must be beyond horrible if he cant crack this bench
     
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    They didn't IMHO. The Blazer scouting the last few years has been pretty awful. Bayless was passed on by a lot of teams for a reason after being a solid top 10 draft prospect for the entire NCAA season. He's another tweener with so-so talent that the Blazers love to draft but unsurprisingly never pan out.
     
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    He played well until the scouts got ahold of him.

    Now he is exposed as very, very limited.

    He will either adapt or fail.
    Either way, Portland should at least look at Mills.
    I am pretty sure Mills could throw up a 1 point/4 turnover performance.
     
  20. gatorpops

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    I havn't seen any games lately due to ..... anyway,

    It would seem to me that because Nate is a "defensive" coach he is quite poor at offense. If he plays Mills he loses Armon's defense.

    Probably Nate needs to play more spot defense and more spot offense. Good luck with that though.
     

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