Prepare to defend yourself, your family, your property, your food, your dog...

The natural outcome of socialism.

 

Bingo!

 

Was it your old nuclear bomb shelter before that or was it your old Mormon end of the world food storage shelter?

Isn't living in fear healthy?

 

...we have been creating money out of debt since the privately run bank, the Federal Reserve, that controls the Nation's money supply was enacted in 1913. Understanding our monetary system since then and how it can be easily manipulated to any outcome they desire is crucial in realizing the problem goes much deeper than "Americans living beyond their means".

Woodrow Wilson said, a few years after he realized his monumental mistake,

Being naive to monetary systems and how they operate is nothing new...

John Adams, one of our founding fathers once said,

 

Judging from this thread, it appears that rich conservatives delude themselves that they earn their money, and poor people don't. They think that poor people depend upon rich people, instead of rich people depending upon poor people.

I got news for you. The poor can easily survive without the rich, not vice versa. The whole system is a mechanism for the rich to depend upon the impoverishment of others. We live in a welfare society for the rich.

The funniest part of this thread is when the rich claim that the poor live beyond their means, and can downsize their supposed spare resources. When the economy shrinks, you guys think it's the poor who will have to adjust. No, you'll be running scared financially in 10 years, while the poor won't have it very different from now.

 

Boy do you love using labels.

 

Wrong. The poor can barely feed themselves or provide themselves shelter or stay healthy without government handouts, which are a function of the disproportionate tax burden of the wealthy.

 

Since you think of poor people as cockroaches, I assume you've heard that in the event of nuclear war (or even just a few more million years of evolution), the cockroaches will outlast the humans. They walked under dinosaurs and they'll be here under the next rulers.

When the economy goes down, the poor have no money to lose, but they have the survival skills for poverty. It's the upper middle class who will do all the adjusting. A decade from now, you'll find out who's tough and who's soft, who depends upon whom, and who has been skimming off of whom.

 

When the economy goes down, basic goods and services will cost more. Your scenario assumes the status quo is maintained, when in will not be. I don't know where these "survival skills" will come from, when, as I stated earlier that the poor rely on welfare to survive and cannot survive on their own. Darwinism ensures the survival of the fittest and the problem with the poor is that they are not the fittest in the economy as they are not self-reliant. They will be the ones who will suffer the most from a harsh economic climate.

Maris61 is probably correct in that the poor will be the first to resort to property crimes and assault, since they lack the skill set to advance through traditional methods. They are not as educated as the general populace.

 

...do you also agree with & support eugenics?!

 

No. Why would I?

 

So when the economy sheds a trillion dollars in income (or whatever number), you think it will come mainly from the income of the poor, who are already close to zero. You think the economy's fat is in the lower class. You think the upper middle class will roll right along, despite few customers to provide profits. The majority poor will make the trillion less and the business owners profiting from the poor will still have the same sales and profits. The bureaucrats in big business and government will still be employed analyzing all the non-sales going on.

This is because the poor skim off of the economic labor of the rich, and the rich and upper middle class don't skim their profits from the economic labor of the poor.

Yeah right.

 

The poor are essentially replaceable in the workforce. There's a reason why its called low skilled labor. Robots or illegals can make them obsolete.

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All the non-basic goods that wealthier people think are necessary will cost even more.

Here's a news flash for you. Poor people don't purchase goods. They have no money. They are already getting their food and clothing from dumpsters and soup kitchens and they improvise their shelter.

You've obviously never actually met and become acquainted with an actual "poor person" in your life. Nor do you have any grasp of how miniscule a portion of poverty-level people are actually served by social services. Nor do you have any idea how many refuse to seek out or accept help of any kind. Most poor people have one trait that keeps them going, and that's pride.

As for survival skills, I'm guessing that you have none to speak of, because you've never needed any.

As for Darwinism, you've got it backwards. It is you who are not self-reliant. You depend solely on your employer(s) good will for everything you have. If you were to lose your job and be unable to get hired anywhere for a couple years it might be good for you. Since you obviously would refuse to accept unemployment insurance to survive, you might develop some survival skills of your own. And a more balanced view of how our capitalistic economy works, or doesn't.[/QUOTE]

Why would rich people resort to property crimes and assault? They're rich!

But when they're no longer rich they will be the first and foremost to commit crimes against their countymen, because they have been grown to think they are better than others and therefore more deserving. They have less moral fiber than someone who has had to struggle to survive.

52% of Americans have some college education, and 27% have a degree. Most of what they paid to learn there will be useless trivia when the only jobs are growing food, producing clothes, moving basic goods, and building shelter. We're not talking union wages either. In a depression, which is what is being intentionally orchestrated right now, "college-educated" indicates to most employers that the applicant is likely too soft, too slow, and probably very weak at trouble-shooting. In other words, unemployable. The poor and the illegal immigrants will be the work force. Most jobs that require a degree will simply not be needed. Who needs a doctor to be on hand if nobody has the money to pay him? The truth is without Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs paying for healthcare services, we'd have to lay off about 1/3 of the healthcare professionals nationwide right now. As more and more people lose their insurance less doctors will be needed. Lawyers? Only government employed (DA's and public defenders) will be needed. Financial Investment counselors? For whom?

 

Poor people don't purchase consumer goods? Surely you jest. They are probably one of the higher volume consumers out there, which is why they remain poor and in debt. They buy material items instead of saving/investing. That's a gross generalization but its pretty well known that the poor often try to appear as they are not poor buy buying brand-name clothing, video games, spinning wheels and do 5 year financing on their automobile leases.

 

Don't underestimate the power of HUMAN INGENUITY

 

I don't doubt some poor people have a sense of pride. I never said that they didn't. However, they are still dependent on the government assistance programs which are funded by the taxes of the wealthy. It may not be fair, but its reality. The poor do not have the resources and/or skill to provide for themselves.

I was unemployed for quite some time shortly after college without unemployment. It was a struggle but I eventually picked up odd jobs to get by until I did find meaningful work. I now have a side business where I don't need to depend on the graces of my employer if it went to that. I have a strong network where I can find work if I were to lose my job, either permanent or consulting. I keep my expenses low. Car is paid off and I live in rent-controlled housing in LA. My apartment is less than 500 square ft. I think I'll manage. And if I do become poor, big deal. I can cut down my expenses to nothing and it really won't be that hard as a single male. I have no kids or a family to provide for. Huge advantage financially.

A miniscule number of people are helped by social services? You're joking right? 1 in 8 americans get food stamps. 40 million people.

 

Premise? <goes back and reads Post #1>

Oh yeah, I forgot all that...well, do it my way...Just wander where you want to...

I'm arguing with El on who the coming Depression will hurt. He says only the poor. I say they'll survive because they're used to surviving on close to nothing, and that it's people with money who will notice a big difference.

Which is related, but not the exact premise of the thread...