Law looked good for his first game back with GS. Right into the flow. Solid perimeter defense, scrappy, and in control. His ball-handling looks solid too. I really think, for some reason, he will be very valuable to us, even though he is not thought of that way to the rest of the league right now. IMO, if he gets run, he'll definately be more helpful to this club than, say, CJ Watson was. P.S. Udoh came in the final 3 minutes of the blowout, and looked good! His first possession, caught it on the low block, and took Juwan Howard to school! Back-2-basket post move, fake one shoulder, turnaround, bank shot. Smooth! He also moved his feet pretty well, and was ready to set picks and whatnot. He also fought for position. He looked really good actually, all things considering. One thing I noticed is that he looks a lot stronger/bulkier than he did in college (or at least the pre-draft workout video). He's got some muscle in the chest/upper body. I'm super excited to see more of Udoh. GS was right there with Miami for the first half, they had every opportunity to win this game, they seemed to play down to Miami, believe it or not. Great defense, causing turnovers, and then instead of coming down and capitalizing, they'd take early shots or make turnovers to kill the momentum and allow Miami another shot at taking over. Miami had several chances to take over, but they kept stumbling (I am NOT impressed with Miami at all). Eventually, though, you give a decent team enough chances to take over and dominate you, eventually... well... even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.
I like the Warriors, but basically you're saying we rested our starters in the fourth quarter, had a huge win, and we should have won by more? That's awfully illogical and inconsistent. I'm trying to be humble too, but no need to be this biased.
I am? Huh. I didn't know I am basically saying that. Well, that would be a foolish thing to say, seeing as how wrong it is. Wade and Bosh both started the 4th quarter and played the majority of the 4th quarter. They both finally came out at the 4:24 mark.... So I'm glad I didn't actually say that, because it would sound... well...illogical and inconsistent, to be honest. As far as starters vs. scrubs, Monta Ellis and David Lee played the same as Wade + Bosh (about 7 minutes each) in the 4th quarter. GS brought in their scrubs in the 4th -- Lin, Law, Radmonovic, and even their rookie played his first 3 minutes of his career. As far as minutes in general, LeBron played 31 minutes, Bosh 33, and Wade 35, which are all around their season averages (LeBron averages 37, Bosh 34, and Wade 35)... So to insinuate that the "big three" rested any more than usual during the game at all would be, well, illogical and inconsistent. They played the same as they usually do. What did I actually say? Hmm... I said the Warriors were right there with Miami for the first half. At halftime, it was 48-45 Miami. Okay, so I did basically say that, and I feel good about it, because it was true. It's logical. And consistent. What else did I say... Miami had many chances in the first half to open it up, but they kept stumbling. Okay, good. That's another one that's true. So I'm glad that's what I actually said. For example, the Warriors 2nd best (or arguably best) player, Steph Curry, didn't play. GS put in a D-League bench player, Reggie Williams, in his place. In the first quarter, the Warriors had several missed layups, and several careless turnovers. These were during tie-game or near tie-game situations. Yet, Miami could do nothing with it. They never seized the opportunity. Instead, they would come down, miss a shot, have a turnover, or, worse, LeBron would somehow decide it was a good idea to feed Erik Dampier in the post, which would promptly result in some laughable, plodding attempt at a move, a 3-second call, and a blocked shot lol (Note to King James: When you have an opportunity to open the game up... please don't keep feeding Erik Dampier in the post.) By halftime, it was a 3 point game. The Warriors had no business being in that game. And yet, lo and behold, the Heat looked very beatable, by a sub-par team in the Warriors. The Warriors had a chance to win that game. They kept blowing their chances, and Miami kept blowing their chances... eventually Miami took control and pulled ahead, like they should have in the first place. And they won by a large margin in the second half, yes. But the Miami Heat look near-average right now. Two stars in Wade and LeBron. a decent PF in Bosh. And a thin supporting cast. When Dampier is LeBron's go-to option on the block, well, that doesn't really have the look of a "dynasty", lol. Yes, eventually Miami did pull away and win big... But the Warriors have won big this year too. They beat the Clippers by 18 points, lol... even though I'm a GS fan, I'm not impressed with the Warriors either. Beating a team you should beat by 18-20 points is nice, but not impressive. The Warriors are a very, very beatable team right now, yes. I never said they weren't. What I am saying is that the Heat are a beatable team right now as well. I'm just not impressed with Miami at all, lol. But hey, on a side note, I'm confused. What are you "trying to be humble" about?
I'm not sure you really want to get into this discussion... I'm not trying to pile on, I like the warriors. Nothing wrong with rebuilding until you're a contender. But since you're so enthusiastic, ok. Let's discuss this matter. ~~~~~~ Just seemed like you were in denial. Yeah and like I said, we rested on you guys. Against serious teams we get into the 40s in minutes played. Not 30, 34, 33 minutes for the top people. You got rocked dude. I'm not sure what a blowout win in this fashion, has anything bad to say about us. No other team has beat you by 22 at home. Um, no. We play fewer minutes this season because the Heat have the most blowout victories. It is because you're mediocre that we rest. Your personal feelings are illogical, as I have exposed them to be. So basically you are promoting an even smaller sample size, and cherry picking the parts of the game you liked? Not logical. What is logical is that Miami has the best offensive and defensive ratings (combined) in the league. We're simply playing at an elite level. Not sure why it matters that we slowly killed your team, or went on a monstrous run. It's all the same in the end, you're just posting on emotion and not reality. This is a trend, not an anomaly. LeBron could have played 10 more minutes, Wade and Bosh 12-15 more. What's your point? We rested on you brah, and you lost by 22. No need to talk down our team, or lie to yourself. Your team was atrocious on that one night, it can happen. We're also talented, not sure why you're surprised. The difference is we're the Miami heat and more consistent in our blowout victories. You're the exception, we're the rule. Don't waste your time on one play only the aggregate matters. Dude you got waxed, that's what I'm being humble about. I could be much more boastful about it. Your claims simply don't hold up. We're not average, and even your below average team has never been this dominated before. It took garbage time for you to even hold on to your 22 point loss at home.
huevon, how come every time i see you post something it's obnoxious? you just hopped on the miami bandwagon, i don't think you've earned the right to use "we" when talking about the heat. i think that we, as warrior fans, are (and always have been) pretty realistic about the general shittyness off our team. nobody is saying that we should have beat miami, but they didn't look like a championship contender team on friday.
Why are you so interested in my fandom? You continue to bring it up. We, are doing just fine. Anyone that helps my favorite players i'm cool with. Sorry but the Lakers will never own me, and people change as they get older. You're disrespectful in my opinion, so whatever. Your opinion about my character means nothing, especially with my polite approach today. Again your righteousness means nothing to me, you're a slave to a city I'm my own person. That's your problem. Your arbitrary laundry and city limits own your brain, not everyone has to be so boring and tormented. I don't think it is wrong to follow your local team either, but when you say everyone MUST do the same, that's crazy to me. You've got this singular view you should discard. And no, Oop said he's not impressed at all which is quite different.
I never got "waxed" and my guess is you've never been on an NBA team, "brah." So stop acting like you did anything noteworthy last night, lol. The Heat won, you didn't. There's nothing for you to be able to "pile on," or brag, or be "humble" about. Because you have nothing to do with the Heat. Other than your sig. Which, if I recall correctly, was a Lakers sig last year. So what... that's no longer you? If you want to talk basketball, that's one thing. But trying to act like you have anything to "brag" about... is laughable. I am a Warriors fan, but I'll be the first to tell you they suck this year. So what? As far as basketball, this is all stuff I've already said. The Heat looked entirely beatable in the 1st half of the game against GS. They looked thoroughly unimpressive. Both teams blew many chances. Yes, the Heat pulled away in the 2nd half. They should have. Good for THEM (not you). Yes, they beat a bad team in the Warriors. And IMO they looked average doing it. And, no, they' didn't rest their starters, despite what you say. It sounds like you are the one posting on emotion instead of reality. I am unimpressed with the Heat. But who cares? It really has nothing to do with you. Don't flatter yourself, lol. Did I just take troll bait
your fandom doesn't interest me, but your bandwagon disloyalty bothers me...lets not rehash that argument. but please, how is remaining loyal to a team superficial? also, can you please explain this 'arbitrary laundry' metaphor?
Nah you did get waxed, factually in this dicussion. Your complete ignorance in this debate is apparent, you don't know the own margins your team loses by. You don't understand simple concepts about aggregate production. You're not impressed at all huh? Well guess what, I addressed that. Now you're all sensitive about it, oh well. Huh? Trolling is what I was referring to, which is considered the opposite of humble, and piling on. Lol what is this nonsense? Yeah I only care about myself, I can root for whatever team I want. Tough. Well clearly you don't want to talk about basketball, either. ;] Blew many chances, and yet gave you your worse loss. Again, just drop that. If you have no problem admitting they suck, don't worry about this loss then. No biggie. Uh ok... And if the warriors win good for them, but that doesn't happen as much. Are you upset I get joy from watching a talented basketball team? Yes in your factually weak opinion, that you refuse to support. Actually it has something to do with me, since it is very enjoyable to watch them this season. ^_^
Nah, you waxed yourself, brah. You said the Heat rested their starters in the 4th quarter. Wade and Bosh started the 4th quarter and both played until the 4:24 mark. That's 2 out of the three main starters, playing the majority of the 4th quarter. That's you having your facts wrong. You said the Heat "rested on you guys." As I already pointed out, LeBron played 31 (avg 37), Bosh 33 (avg 34), Wade 35 (avg 35). That's normal minutes for 2 out of 3 starters. That's you having your facts wrong, again. Your weak handle on the game facts is only further compounded by your glaring inability to control the term "aggregate production." A troll is someone who does not consider the facts, but rather posts comments to be inflammatory or to defend an imaginary position. You seem awfully similar to a troll. I didn't know mods could be trolls, but here you are. Your only argument is to try to leverage how much better the Heat are than the Warriors. However, the better the Heat become in your argument, the worse it makes them look in light of last night's poor 1st-half performance. I'm the one saying the Warriors are a bad team. I'm also the one saying the Warriors had a chance to beat Miami last night. Miami is a decent team. but I am thoroughly unimpressed with how average they looked in the 1st half last night. Need I defend this?
huevon, brahhhh, i know you like to think you're very clever with the words, but i hardly ever know what the hell you're talking about. it doesn't help that it's clouded by the fact that there's so much about your demeanor and attitude that bothers me. there is no need to break down somebody's post by individual sentences and try your hardest to disprove and editorialize every detail...we get it, you like to hear yourself speak. start a blog or something.
Why are you quoting "brah" so much? I say Dude more often. :] Lol. That has to be one of the lamest excuses ever. LeBron rested the whole quarter. Wade wouldn't be walking out of the last four minutes of a game if it was important. Multiple starters, thus I win. ;] Once again a bad attempt on your part. Heat starters don't play that little against good teams. That's reality, your team isn't one to be taken seriously. No big deal, but it is about time you admit it. Your response is to say "Nah they played their guys!" Your team did poorly whether we almost played our "regular" minutes or not. And guess what, in the playoffs Superstars play 40 minutes a game... Your argument is a joke, because all it means is that the Heat made your team choke. We're so good you're in the game and you still lose by 20. Wow I'm sorry about that man. I didn't know NBA games were 24 minutes long? Need I defend this? Dude your team choked like crazy in the second half then. You have less to build on from that performance. Like I said, it is just one night. You can give us a little more credit it is not the end of anything.
Really, and what would that be? You thinking a team owns me for the rest of my life is crazy. Your limited views on fandom don't matter to me. It doesn't take a genius to figure out we were pretty impressive. Otherwise our off days are amazing then, thanks. I don't have to try "hard", when you get handed your worst home loss of the season.
the fact that you have your chest puffed out so much over beating the warriors without steph curry just proves that the heat aren't all that. after all that nauseating talk in the offseason about how many championships they were gonna win, it turns out that they suck against good teams. the celtics made miami look like chumps, twice. i would say that boston, LA, orlando and san antonio are easily superior teams. if you want to debate basketball, fine...but please, if you want anybody to repsect your opinions, ease up on your lame side comments. everytime i read one of your posts, i hear them in my head like they're coming from some attitude-ridden hormonal teenage girl. like the south park episode where cartman is on jerry springer talking about "i do what i want!"
At the end of the day you're a biased Warriors fan that interrupted my more meaningful discussion with Oop. At each point in this discussion you've failed to recognize the other arguments Oop is making, and that I am making. You're trying to simplify this debate, when you should be quoting me instead and retorting. Not just skimming over what bothers you. This is simply about the Warriors choking over 48 minutes, never at any point did I say the Heat looked great in the first half. Or that we're clearly the best team, although everything is alluding to that now. I'll give you a hint, all-time historic teams only win by 12-13 points. 20+ on the road is not normal. Everything that you've randomly concluded about our margin of victory is faulty. Actually they're not "easily" superior, but I'm not really interested in proving the heat are the best. That'll happen over the course of the season, if the Heat truly are as good as people think. Either way they've lost close games to Boston, I don't know how that compares to the ravaging we gave the Warriors. Cause it doesn't dude, the Boston Celtics are the second best team in offensive + defensive ratings combined. Looks like the Heat are just fine now, as they should be. You have no idea what this discussion is about. You've proven how lazy you are in your attempts to respond. Again, this discussion isn't about how amazing the Heat are, but rather what a brainwashed person you are trying to preach to me, and how bad the Warriors looked on one night. It isn't a big deal either, just one game. You can afford to give us credit for that one night, was my point to Oop.
How is it that someone deems a victory against this version of the Warriors so noteworthy that it requires 10 posts to attempt to beat down someone who is saying that the Heat are not championship contenders? 10 posts. AlleyOop is still standing in my book.
Ah well, I thought it was an interesting back and forth with him. That's why I continued it, it was an intelligent attempt on his part and it was fun. Although truthfully, I like these long and complex discussions. It gets me to understand where the Heat are lacking, or where Warrior fans might want to adjust their views. The discussion to me, goes down to the final score. Because in a close game at halftime, it is simply not normal to win by that kind of margin, and get to rest in the fourth quarter. I don't think Alley Oop addressed that, but his posts were nice. ;] It was a good discussion.
LOL, here are some "personal attacks I've recently received from you: (you're probably going to want to delete this post before anybody sees what a hypocrite you are) You're disrespectful you're a slave to a city Your arbitrary laundry and city limits own your brain not everyone has to be so boring and tormented. You've got this singular view you should discard. you're a biased Warriors fan that interrupted my more meaningful discussion with Oop. You have no idea what this discussion is about. You've proven how lazy you are what a brainwashed person you are you don't know what you're speaking about your situation is insignificant compared to mine The fact that you don't understand a simple statement like that reflects on you.
