TrueHoop: Did Roy say trade Miller or trade me?

Absolutely. A whole bunch of flip-flopping armchair QBs, IMO.

Roy's "bitch ass"? Grrrr!

 

Roy should just suck it up, let Miller run the team, and maybe squeak into the playoffs to get crushed in the first round.

That's what Miller does best as PG for playoff teams.

 

Yep right before he takes them to the playoffs for a one and done.

 

What I find interesting is that Roy easily could go into the tank, like Darius Miles, and just collect his huge paycheck. Instead, it is obvious that he cares about winning, and wants to improve the team (which clearly needs to be done), and he is getting ripped to shreds here by many of the same posters who spent 4 years feting him.

The question to me is this. Has Roy changed, or has fan opinion of him changed because he no longer is one of the best players in the league? I'm going with the latter. I can understand people taking Miller's "side" in this debate, but I simply cannot understand how any Blazer fan can think that keeping Miller is in the best long-term interest of the team, regardless of if Roy is even on the team next season.

 

That's not the point. Most of you are missing it.

Miller vs. Roy isn't the issue.

 

I appreciate your comments. My perception for a couple of years now is that Brandon isn't much of a leader and that he puts himself above the good of his teammates and the team. I have an extremely low tolerance for that. My past perceptions are certainly coloring my reaction to the reports we've been getting about what he's supposedly been saying to the media. It is possible, however, that I am full of shit. How the heck would I know the interworkings of the team and what's in Brandon's mind and heart? I don't. OK, Brandon is going through the 5 steps of grieving or whatever. Maybe I am too.

 

The problem is, there are 2 arguments that keep getting blurrred together.

A) Miller is a valuable trade chip, and the team needs to take advantage.

B) Trade Miller to make Roy happy.

I fully agree with "A". I totally reject "B". I suspect I am not the only one who feels that way.

 

I reject B as well, and I fully support A. I just see a lot of blended AB posts, or what at least look like AB posts.

With that, what Roy says/thinks about Miller is largely irrelevant to me, because Miller is playing decent ball, the team is going nowhere, and he is by far the most valuable asset in terms of either rebuilding or lucking into some deal for a disgruntled young player who blossoms in Portland into a start.

The Miller vs. Roy mentality has clouded what is really the issue; how can this team stop sliding into obscurity again, because they are on that path right now. Also, if Miller isn't moved by the TE, I am going to completely do a 180 and say that the Blazers should exercise their option on him and try it all over again next year (if there is a next year). I'm just assuming he'll be traded, but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes to just cut him loose if he can't be moved this season.

 

My guess is that if they trade Miller to make Roy happy it won't fix anything. But at the same time, by giving him every benefit of the doubt, but if the Blazers do that, when it happens, and fails, then the Blazers can say they made every effort to help Roy before blowing it up and moving forward.

 

I definitely feel the same; eff Roy's whining as it is noxious bordering on cancerous. I feel like he's just bitching because the front office keep trading away his buddies.

 

I don't think that sort of thinking should, or will, play any part of making a decision on Miller. Helping Roy shouldn't be the priority; helping the team win should be.

Cho stated he needs more time to evaluate the team. Rich, let me help you out. Your team is not a contender, and it will be lucky to even make the playoffs this year. I'd be surprised if it took you a few more weeks to figure this out. Knowing this, trade your most high-value assets, which include Miller and Przy (Batum as well, or hell, even Wesley Matthews if something worth it is out there). PG is a priority, preferably one that can shoot a little and defend a bit, as is PF. I'd say center, but with all of the injuries to centers around the league, the Camby model (rebounding and shot-blocking with little offense) is going to have to cut it unless Oden stays healthy and develops as an all-around center.

Good luck! You're going to need it...

 

In my dreams, but...

Roy: "Trade Miller or trade me."

Cho: "Why choose? I'll trade both of you."

Roy: "Wait what?"

 

Thats what Roy does best as SG on playoff teams when the offense revolves around him. ISO ball with Roy (even when healthy) wasn't going to get us out the first round.

 

That was only tried one time, and with a team with no veterans. Miller has failed what, 6 times now? I would have taken my chances with a healthy All-NBA player over a decent PG who can't shoot or defend. That's moot at this point, though.

Neither are worth building around, and only one could possibly retrieve value in a trade.

 

Why not? Based off of a Houston series when nobody else stepped up? When we have nobody else with the ability to attack the basket? ISO ball with Roy, which isn't even the extent of our offense, but whatever, ISO ball with Roy would be alright if other people hit shots, or could attack as well.

 

Call it intuition or whatever, but, something never sat right with me in regards to Roy.
He'll always be respected for his great individual play throughout the last few years, but, personally I feel he's never been a good leader and his own personal greatness has come at the cost of the teams well being and growth.

If any of these reports surfacing now are true, then I really wish management had traded Roy at his peak (like I had wanted them too). Andre better not get the short end of the stick; he deserves better for his contributions.

Ultimately I blame management. Roy's always had far too much say in the running of the organization and a far too long leash. . .

 

I wouldn't worry too much about Andre he'll probably get traded to a contending team looking for a veteran point guard. And as for Roy's supposed lack of moral fiber and the team failing to rein him in, that's nothing new in the NBA, it's a star driven league and has been ever since Jordan played.

 

At least back to Magic Johnson. He got Paul Westhead fired.

Before that, I really don't know...before my time (Magic getting Westhead fired is a bit before my basketball-watching life, but close enough to it that I'm aware of it).

 

So if we traded Miller to the Lakers or the Heat, and he was the starting point guard on a team that won a championship, would it be solely because of Miller that they won?